Walters contract with Top Rank is up? Signing with Haymon?

[bojangles1987]

i had Walters 8-2 but I doubt there was a fix. Even top ranks vp was cashing the scores. Look at the Bradley-Chaves draw. Arum was pissed. He already had Bradley locked in contract and didn't want that draw on his record. This was just a bad score. Like when Pedraza beat Cherry or Pascal beat Gonzalez. Hell Shafikov got screwed by Robert Hoyle on the PBC card.

It happens to all promoters fighters. There is an epidemic of ****ty scoring. I bet top Rank still does Uchiymama vs Walters

I hope they still do that fight, because Walters obviously won and that was the fight they wanted afterwards.

[OnePunch]

What agenda are you referring to?

You used fix, when I and others did not. You are putting words in posts that are not there. Please stop.

Most of the posters that have been pointing things out like TR and Arum.

whatever. You can try and be clever if you want to, with all that "wink wink nudge nudge" political bs. These are YOUR words, not mine......

I am not a conspiracy theorist but this would explain the Loma fight not happening and the absurd scoring of the fight this past Saturday.

I just can't think of a rational reason for the scorcards for that fight. Can you?

Sometimes they do. This didn't seem like a difficult fight to score. HBO was very biased in its announcing but that doesn't affect how the judges score the fight.

When you understand this is likely Walters last TR fight, Sosa is co promoted by TR, is staying, and will be an easy opponent for Loma when he jumps to 130, and the sometimes questionable scores of TR fighters fights when they are at the end or near the end of their TR deal (even his top dogs ODH/Shane 1, Manny/Bradley 1) it makes it more believable that something was up.

OK. I didn't use fix for a reason. There can be a problem with the scoring and it not be a fix.

Taking everything into consideration and the fact that the 3 judges are the only ones that I've seen scoring the fight close and it seems something is fishy.

so lets hear it then. If these posts are NOT implying a fix, then what exactly are they implying??

youre completely full of ****

[The Gambler1981]

Respect You put this into a great analogy brother. And I think this rings true to the situation.

I also think HBO & PBC can work together like you're suggesting at some future date on a bigger, team level that would be better for the sport than the current setup allows for. For PBC to win, HBO boxing doesn't have to fail.

It is true they can both survive and the sport be better for it. It is so easy to say yet so hard to get there because both sides have to realize they have a problem (or issue, concern whatever you want to call it) almost at the same time because taking that first step is making it seem like one side is winning. If one side is about to win or thinks they are about to win they have no incentive to deal.

It is still a long ways off though in my opinion from resolution unless something dramatic goes down outside the control of either side.

[The Big Dunn]

whatever. You can try and be clever if you want to, with all that "wink wink nudge nudge" political bs. These are YOUR words, not mine......

so lets hear it then. If these posts are NOT implying a fix, then what exactly are they implying??

youre completely full of ****

Hold on, you used fix after my 1st post. Why are you bringing up posts I wrote after you made the accusation? You based this on my initial post.

There can be a problem with the scoring and it not be a fix FFS.
Noticed you dodged the agenda question.

"Absurd scoring" means I disagree with the scores and think they are absurd. It doesn't mean fix FFS! Me asking you a question is not implying anything, its seeking your perspective on the question asked.

As for the later posts-it just doesn't make sense that the judges had this so wrong. I have yet to see one score that was even close. If you did this on a bell curve there is literally one score on one side, the 2 draws, and every other scorecard for Walters.

[OnePunch]

Hold on, you used fix after my 1st post. You using posts I wrote after you said I called it a fix is BS.

"Absurd scoring" means I disagree with the scores and think they are absurd. It doesn't mean fix FFS! Me asking you a question is not implying anything, its seeking your perspective on the question asked.

so "something was up", "smells fishy", "not rational...", "not a conspiracy theorist BUT......" those phrases dont imply a fix?

So answer the question. If those phrases dont imply FIX, then what exactly do they imply?

And better yet, as to agenda, how many of those same phrases did you use to describe the Breazeale vs Kassi decision? Because I searched and oddly enough couldnt find any.....

[The Big Dunn]

so "something was up", "smells fishy", "not rational...", "not a conspiracy theorist BUT......" those phrases dont imply a fix?

So answer the question. If those phrases dont imply FIX, then what exactly do they imply?

And better yet, as to agenda, how many of those same phrases did you use to describe the Breazeale vs Kassi decision? Because I searched and oddly enough couldnt find any.....

As for the later posts-it just doesn't make sense that the judges had this so wrong. I have yet to see one score that was even close. If you did this on a bell curve there is literally one score on one side, the 2 draws, and every other scorecard for Walters.

you left the above out from my post.

You accused me after the 1st post. Nothing in that post suggests or implies the fight was fixed. If that's what I thought, I would have posted it.

You did that so you could make the ****** Haymon argument, which had nothing to do with this thread. Seems you have the agenda and tried to fit my post into it.

I made no comments on that fight one way or the other. Now what does the fact I didn't comment on that fight have to do with this thread?

[OnePunch]

you left the above out from my post.

You accused me after the 1st post. Nothing in that post suggests or implies the fight was fixed. If that's what I thought, I would have posted it.

You did that so you could make the ****** Haymon argument, which had nothing to do with this thread. Seems you have the agenda and tried to fit my post into it.

I made no comments on that fight one way or the other. Now what does the fact I didn't comment on that fight have to do with this thread?

ok, sure thing. Anytime I'm NOT trying to imply anything shady is going on, I make sure to use phrases like "something was up", "smells fishy", etc.

[killakali]

people like to cry "fix" when it suits their agenda. I guarantee you not a single person "hinting" that Arum bought the judges in this fight accused Haymon of buying the judges in the Breazeale vs Kassi fight.

very true i forgot about that fight

[OnePunch]

you left the above out from my post.

You accused me after the 1st post. Nothing in that post suggests or implies the fight was fixed. If that's what I thought, I would have posted it.

You did that so you could make the ****** Haymon argument, which had nothing to do with this thread. Seems you have the agenda and tried to fit my post into it.

I made no comments on that fight one way or the other. Now what does the fact I didn't comment on that fight have to do with this thread?

hmmmm, lets see........

fighter promoted by Arum gets absurd draw, your response is "something was up", "smells fishy", etc etc.

fighter promoted by Haymon gets absurd UD win, and you are doing Helen Keller impressions.

I dont exactly need the profilers from Criminal Minds to put this one together.......

[The Big Dunn]

ok, sure thing. Anytime I'm NOT trying to imply anything shady is going on, I make sure to use phrases like "something was up", "smells fishy", etc.

The problem is you interpreted the post instead of just responding to it. I didn't imply or suggest or post fix.