Walters contract with Top Rank is up? Signing with Haymon?

[MASTER OF you]

I doubt it.walters could resign with TOP RANK or go to golden boy maybe even roc nation.I remember when everybody swore up and down that al gaymon would be signing rigondeaux and that never happen.

[The Big Dunn]

yes. Sometimes judges get it wrong. Additionally I thought HBO was over the top in how they were calling the fight. I had a clear win for Walters, but it damn sure wasnt 10-0.

The surprising thing for me with the scoring was that not a single judge had it for Walters. 2 had it a draw, and the 3rd for Sosa. Thats pretty dramatic scoring,. If it was a fix, you only need 2 judges, not all 3

Sometimes they do. This didn't seem like a difficult fight to score. HBO was very biased in its announcing but that doesn't affect how the judges score the fight.

When you understand this is likely Walters last TR fight, Sosa is co promoted by TR, is staying, and will be an easy opponent for Loma when he jumps to 130, and the sometimes questionable scores of TR fighters fights when they are at the end or near the end of their TR deal (even his top dogs ODH/Shane 1, Manny/Bradley 1) it makes it more believable that something was up.

[Eff Pandas]

I think Walters gots to go the PBC/Haymon route. All he has with HBO is Loma. PBC is loaded @ 126 (Santa Cruz, Mares, Russell & Selby). More good fights with PBC/Haymon to make & probably less chance of getting robbed based on this last fight & how good he'd have to beat Loma (one of TR's top guys moving forward) to get a decision. And like its been mentioned he does have a connection with one of Haymon's main promoters so it seems like a easy move that has probably been getting lined up PBC started.

Nice pickup by PBC if this comes to be a reality. If I was Art of War-ing PBC's road to taking over boxing I think swiping HBO guys & leaning on their limited bankroll via getting Stevenson (vs Kovalev) & other PBC/Haymon fighters over on HBO for non-option fights that limits HBO's ability to pay their contracted fighters (getting them looking at other options like PBC or throwing them on PPV before their time ala GGG) & build names.

Then there is the added benefit of having "the champion" if the PBC guy beats the HBO guy in the eyes of boxing fans which should help get people watching PBC fights in the future. And even if the HBO guys beats the PBC guy the HBO guy is going to have fewer & fewer options to continue his upward trajectory cuz of PBC's leaning. Win quick or win slow. Just a matter of time.

[sicko]

First thing I posted when that Decision was announced. Something is going on behind the scenes for sure and like I said give it a few days and it will reveal itself and we will find out exactly why that Decision happened

More Money and More Bigger Fighters with PBC at 130 though, would love to see him vs Fortuna, that instantly becomes the biggest fight at 130. Excellent stylistic match up!

[The Big Dunn]

Allow me to first say, I doubt any of the Top Rank matchmakers actually thought this fight was going the distance...the style favored a Walters KO. But if they're truly that gifted at predicting and they had the foresight to see this going to the cards, it takes some balls to pay all three judges to produce a mere draw. It's boxing, so I suppose it could be possible. It's not a sport without corruption, but I don't think Walters is worth that risk. We're talking all 3 judges for a relatively invaluable fight that really was stylistically set up for Walters too look great in. At least Pacquiao lost to another Top Rank fighter, what's the value in Walters drawing with a guy Arum doesn't promote? C'mon, I ponder some conspiracy myself, but that's just a horrible waste of money.

Walters won, but he wasn't dominant at all. It says something when Harold Lederman (he's ringside just like the judges) keeps repeating that the rounds are close but Walters is doing enough to edge them. And then all three judges produce very similar results. I think it was just one of those days where they favored activity more than sharpness. They were wrong, but were they payed off? I don't think so. Not all three.

Arum doesn't get any "value" from Sosa winning. But it looks like Walters is leaving top rank, it's not totally out of the question

He gets value in that this allows for better marketing and promoting of a possible Sosa v Loma fight.

Loma has nothing left @126 and TR has no quality opponent for him so he likely is going up to 130. The official draw with Walters is all most people care about so it makes a potential Loma/Sosa fight look more dangerous than it really is.

[OnePunch]

Sometimes they do. This didn't seem like a difficult fight to score. HBO was very biased in its announcing but that doesn't affect how the judges score the fight.

When you understand this is likely Walters last TR fight, Sosa is co promoted by TR, is staying, and will be an easy opponent for Loma when he jumps to 130, and the sometimes questionable scores of TR fighters fights when they are at the end or near the end of their TR deal (even his top dogs ODH/Shane 1, Manny/Bradley 1) it makes it more believable that something was up.

thats exactly my point. The judges dont hear it but you and I do. Lets say for example Harolds card was 96-94 Walters. Would a draw decision really be that much of an outrage? Its only disagreeing on 1 round.

The only reason this is getting so much ink is because of the 10-0 way that HBO called the fight.

Bad decision? In my opinion yes. So bad that it had to be a fix? Nope

[MASTER OF you]

lol but why only pay the judges off for a draw if that's the case? arum could have given walters a loss since he was leaving top rank according to you.

[SCEN3RY]

I agree with most of your post, but Top Rank DOES promote Sosa. (co-promotional deal with Peltz)

I didn't know that. Peltz is his promoter, but you're saying Top Rank has options on him? Is that for his next fight? his next two?

[The Big Dunn]

thats exactly my point. The judges dont hear it but you and I do. Lets say for example Harolds card was 96-94 Walters. Would a draw decision really be that much of an outrage? Its only disagreeing on 1 round.

The only reason this is getting so much ink is because of the 10-0 way that HBO called the fight.

Bad decision? In my opinion yes. So bad that it had to be a fix? Nope

I almost always watch HBO cards with the sound off dude so it doesn't affect my scoring of a fight.

It is virtually statistically impossible for the 3 judges to comprise the group of outliers. Literally no one-ringside scorers, Lederman, even those scoring on NSB-had this fight debatable or even close.

These are the worst scorecards I can remember in a while.

[OnePunch]

I didn't know that. Peltz is his promoter, but you're saying Top Rank has options on him? Is that for his next fight? his next two?

Sorry, I dont know the specific terms of the deal, other than that its a true "co-promotional" deal and not just an options deal.....


Edit: Found this, but it doesnt really give any specifics.....

http://www.toprank.com/news/boxing-promotions-top-rank-signs-jerseys-jason-sosa