Walters contract with Top Rank is up? Signing with Haymon?

[about.thousands]

I don't get why Walters was even on a golden boy card

Arum isn't getting the dates anymore. Shafikov was on a Mayweather Promotions card this past weekend. Pacquiao was his main bargaining tool but he's retiring. He's got the Tru Tv deal but he's not putting major fights on there. HBO dates are hard to come by with Kovalev/GGG/Canelo eating up most of the budget

[OnePunch]

I didn't say the fight was fixed, I said the scoring was absurd. The last time Bob had a major fighter near the end of his deal we had the Manny/Bradley scoring debacle.

I just can't think of a rational reason for the scorcards for that fight. Can you?

a "fix" means the result was improperly altered from its natural course, whether by the fighter themselves or by judge/referee.

You implied that the fix was on. I was just wondering if you are inferring that Arum paid off the judges on his own or via Golden Boy.

[The Big Dunn]

a "fix" means the result was improperly altered from its natural course, whether by the fighter themselves or by judge/referee.

You implied that the fix was on. I was just wondering if you are inferring that Arum paid off the judges on his own or via Golden Boy.

See my answer to about.thousands above.

Can you think of a logical, rational reason for the absurd scoring?

[MDPopescu]

Walters contract with Top Rank is up? Signing with Haymon?...

Why can't we all here sign with Haymon and provide the slickest PBC message board ever?

[HanzGruber]

Arum isn't getting the dates anymore. Shafikov was on a Mayweather Promotions card this past weekend. Pacquiao was his main bargaining tool but he's retiring. He's got the Tru Tv deal but he's not putting major fights on there. HBO dates are hard to come by with Kovalev/GGG/Canelo eating up most of the budget

Good point. It would make sense if arum wanted to spite Walters. No way Sosa won or drew

[OnePunch]

See my answer to about.thousands above.

Can you think of a logical, rational reason for the absurd scoring?

yes. Sometimes judges get it wrong. Additionally I thought HBO was over the top in how they were calling the fight. I had a clear win for Walters, but it damn sure wasnt 10-0.

The surprising thing for me with the scoring was that not a single judge had it for Walters. 2 had it a draw, and the 3rd for Sosa. Thats pretty dramatic scoring,. If it was a fix, you only need 2 judges, not all 3

[SCEN3RY]

Allow me to first say, I doubt any of the Top Rank matchmakers actually thought this fight was going the distance...the style favored a Walters KO. But if they're truly that gifted at predicting and they had the foresight to see this going to the cards, it takes some balls to pay all three judges to produce a mere draw. It's boxing, so I suppose it could be possible. It's not a sport without corruption, but I don't think Walters is worth that risk. We're talking all 3 judges for a relatively invaluable fight that really was stylistically set up for Walters too look great in. At least Pacquiao lost to another Top Rank fighter, what's the value in Walters drawing with a guy Arum doesn't promote? C'mon, I ponder some conspiracy myself, but that's just a horrible waste of money.

Walters won, but he wasn't dominant at all. It says something when Harold Lederman (he's ringside just like the judges) keeps repeating that the rounds are close but Walters is doing enough to edge them. And then all three judges produce very similar results. I think it was just one of those days where they favored activity more than sharpness. They were wrong, but were they payed off? I don't think so. Not all three.

[HanzGruber]

Allow me to first say, I doubt any of the Top Rank matchmakers actually thought this fight was going the distance...the style favored a Walters KO. But if they're truly that gifted at predicting and they had the foresight to see this going to the cards, it takes some balls to pay all three judges to produce a mere draw. It's boxing, so I suppose it could be possible. It's not a sport without corruption, but I don't think Walters is worth that risk. We're talking all 3 judges for a relatively invaluable fight that really was stylistically set up for Walters too look great in. At least Pacquiao lost to another Top Rank fighter, what's the value in Walters drawing with a guy Arum doesn't promote? C'mon, I ponder some conspiracy myself, but that's just a horrible waste of money.

Walters won, but he wasn't dominant at all. It says something when Harold Lederman (he's ringside just like the judges) keeps repeating that the rounds are close but Walters is doing enough to edge them. And then all three judges produce very similar results. I think it was just one of those days where they favored activity more than sharpness. They were wrong, but were they payed off? I don't think so. Not all three.

Arum doesn't get any "value" from Sosa winning. But it looks like Walters is leaving top rank, it's not totally out of the question

[OnePunch]

Allow me to first say, I doubt any of the Top Rank matchmakers actually thought this fight was going the distance...the style favored a Walters KO. But if they're truly that gifted at predicting and they had the foresight to see this going to the cards, it takes some balls to pay all three judges to produce a mere draw. It's boxing, so I suppose it could be possible. It's not a sport without corruption, but I don't think Walters is worth that risk. We're talking all 3 judges for a relatively invaluable fight that really was stylistically set up for Walters too look great in. At least Pacquiao lost to another Top Rank fighter, what's the value in Walters drawing with a guy Arum doesn't promote? C'mon, I ponder some conspiracy myself, but that's just a horrible waste of money.

Walters won, but he wasn't dominant at all. It says something when Harold Lederman (he's ringside just like the judges) keeps repeating that the rounds are close but Walters is doing enough to edge them. And then all three judges produce very similar results. I think it was just one of those days where they favored activity more than sharpness. They were wrong, but were they payed off? I don't think so. Not all three.

I agree with most of your post, but Top Rank DOES promote Sosa. (co-promotional deal with Peltz)

[about.thousands]

Allow me to first say, I doubt any of the Top Rank matchmakers actually thought this fight was going the distance...the style favored a Walters KO. But if they're truly that gifted at predicting and they had the foresight to see this going to the cards, it takes some balls to pay all three judges to produce a mere draw. It's boxing, so I suppose it could be possible. It's not a sport without corruption, but I don't think Walters is worth that risk. We're talking all 3 judges for a relatively invaluable fight that really was stylistically set up for Walters too look great in. At least Pacquiao lost to another Top Rank fighter, what's the value in Walters drawing with a guy Arum doesn't promote? C'mon, I ponder some conspiracy myself, but that's just a horrible waste of money.

Walters won, but he wasn't dominant at all. It says something when Harold Lederman (he's ringside just like the judges) keeps repeating that the rounds are close but Walters is doing enough to edge them. And then all three judges produce very similar results. I think it was just one of those days where they favored activity more than sharpness. They were wrong, but were they payed off? I don't think so. Not all three.

The contract is for five fights in two years, and to keep up his end of the bargain, Walters has to keep winning.

But Arum described in greater detail today the $100,000 he says he paid through a middleman to the founder of the I.B.F., Robert Lee Sr., in early 1995. The government is trying to prove that Lee extorted the money from Arum in return for approving a lucrative fight between George Foreman and Axel Schulz in April 1995.

So we're just gonna act like Arum has no history of corruption? It's perfectly reasonable to question Arum when something like this happens.