Walters contract with Top Rank is up? Signing with Haymon?

[The Gambler1981]

I think Walters gots to go the PBC/Haymon route. All he has with HBO is Loma. PBC is loaded @ 126 (Santa Cruz, Mares, Russell & Selby). More good fights with PBC/Haymon to make & probably less chance of getting robbed based on this last fight & how good he'd have to beat Loma (one of TR's top guys moving forward) to get a decision. And like its been mentioned he does have a connection with one of Haymon's main promoters so it seems like a easy move that has probably been getting lined up PBC started.

Nice pickup by PBC if this comes to be a reality. If I was Art of War-ing PBC's road to taking over boxing I think swiping HBO guys & leaning on their limited bankroll via getting Stevenson (vs Kovalev) & other PBC/Haymon fighters over on HBO for non-option fights that limits HBO's ability to pay their contracted fighters (getting them looking at other options like PBC or throwing them on PPV before their time ala GGG) & build names.

Then there is the added benefit of having "the champion" if the PBC guy beats the HBO guy in the eyes of boxing fans which should help get people watching PBC fights in the future. And even if the HBO guys beats the PBC guy the HBO guy is going to have fewer & fewer options to continue his upward trajectory cuz of PBC's leaning. Win quick or win slow. Just a matter of time.

It is like a medieval castle siege. HBO is the castle on the hill, they start out with the better position and stocked up with supplies, but as time goes on as they are cut off supplies dwindle and that position doesn't mean much. There is never a direct battle because taking the castle by force is hard even with numbers but it becomes a battle of time.

The castle has no chance at resupply but sustaining an army on hostile ground is not easy either, so it comes down to who folds first. You can make an argument either way at this point, but no matter what there are 3 ways out either of the en****** fades or some accord is struck so both sides can end the pain.

Outside influences can play a major role like a third party changing sides, but it is still kind of early for any of that and I don't think a smart guy like Haymon goes in with that sort of plan without the ability to hold out for longer than anyone expects. If he didn't have the ability to absorb the lumps then he made a terrible mistake, but if he has the ability to endure better than most think then he has the winning plan.

[killakali]

See my answer to about.thousands above.

Can you think of a logical, rational reason for the absurd scoring?

i had Walters 8-2 but I doubt there was a fix. Even top ranks vp was cashing the scores. Look at the Bradley-Chaves draw. Arum was pissed. He already had Bradley locked in contract and didn't want that draw on his record. This was just a bad score. Like when Pedraza beat Cherry or Pascal beat Gonzalez. Hell Shafikov got screwed by Robert Hoyle on the PBC card.

It happens to all promoters fighters. There is an epidemic of ****ty scoring. I bet top Rank still does Uchiymama vs Walters

[OnePunch]

i had Walters 8-2 but I doubt there was a fix. Even top ranks vp was cashing the scores. Look at the Bradley-Chaves draw. Arum was pissed. He already had Bradley locked in contract and didn't want that draw on his record. This was just a bad score. Like when Pedraza beat Cherry or Pascal beat Gonzalez. Hell Shafikov got screwed by Robert Hoyle on the PBC card.

It happens to all promoters fighters. There is an epidemic of ****ty scoring. I bet top Rank still does Uchiymama vs Walters

people like to cry "fix" when it suits their agenda. I guarantee you not a single person "hinting" that Arum bought the judges in this fight accused Haymon of buying the judges in the Breazeale vs Kassi fight.

[The Big Dunn]

i had Walters 8-2 but I doubt there was a fix. Even top ranks vp was cashing the scores. Look at the Bradley-Chaves draw. Arum was pissed. He already had Bradley locked in contract and didn't want that draw on his record. This was just a bad score. Like when Pedraza beat Cherry or Pascal beat Gonzalez. Hell Shafikov got screwed by Robert Hoyle on the PBC card.

It happens to all promoters fighters. There is an epidemic of ****ty scoring. I bet top Rank still does Uchiymama vs Walters

OK. I didn't use fix for a reason. There can be a problem with the scoring and it not be a fix.

Taking everything into consideration and the fact that the 3 judges are the only ones that I've seen scoring the fight close and it seems something is fishy.

[HanzGruber]

Sorry, I dont know the specific terms of the deal, other than that its a true "co-promotional" deal and not just an options deal.....


Edit: Found this, but it doesnt really give any specifics.....

http://www.toprank.com/news/boxing-p...eys-jason-sosa

i didnt know he was with TR.. now it makes even more sense

[al-Xander]

That may be the reason why Arum didn't pursue the Pac fight. He wanted Crawford to sign another contract first.

They should all sign up with uncle Haymon so his current fighters stop calling out TR fighters knowing that fight won't happen anyway.

[The Big Dunn]

people like to cry "fix" when it suits their agenda. I guarantee you not a single person "hinting" that Arum bought the judges in this fight accused Haymon of buying the judges in the Breazeale vs Kassi fight.

What agenda are you referring to?

You used fix, when I and others did not. You are putting words in posts that are not there. Please stop.

Most of the posters that have been pointing things out like TR and Arum.

You just can't come up with a logical explanation for such poor scorecards by the judges nor can you logically account for their cards being so drastically different than the overwhelming majority.

Hell, even the round by round compubox tally suggests Walters was a clear winner.

[about.thousands]

Another su****ious thing I noticed. Some writers on Twitter who are close with Top Rank started saying Sosa was a live dog a couple of days before the fight.

[Eff Pandas]

It is like a medieval castle siege. HBO is the castle on the hill, they start out with the better position and stocked up with supplies, but as time goes on as they are cut off supplies dwindle and that position doesn't mean much. There is never a direct battle because taking the castle by force is hard even with numbers but it becomes a battle of time.

The castle has no chance at resupply but sustaining an army on hostile ground is not easy either, so it comes down to who folds first. You can make an argument either way at this point, but no matter what there are 3 ways out either of the en****** fades or some accord is struck so both sides can end the pain.

Outside influences can play a major role like a third party changing sides, but it is still kind of early for any of that and I don't think a smart guy like Haymon goes in with that sort of plan without the ability to hold out for longer than anyone expects. If he didn't have the ability to absorb the lumps then he made a terrible mistake, but if he has the ability to endure better than most think then he has the winning plan.

Respect You put this into a great analogy brother. And I think this rings true to the situation.

I also think HBO & PBC can work together like you're suggesting at some future date on a bigger, team level that would be better for the sport than the current setup allows for. For PBC to win, HBO boxing doesn't have to fail.

[bojangles1987]

If his contract is up and Walters has plans to leave, that would certainly explain that draw.