Who's the WBA middleweight champion, Golovkin or Jacobs?

[OnePunch]

Press Release / September 8, 2010 - 5:21pm

that's the date from your link.....


Updated at 12:00 AM EDT, Mon Apr 5, 2010

that's the date from my link.....


he was already made Super Champion by the date of the link I provided....

here's a quote from your link:
Gotzev maintains that if the WBA goes forward with this fight, the only reasonable route for Golovkin would be for them to order a fight between Sturm and Golovkin for super champion status.

Now how can they fight for super champion status if Sturm was already made the Super Champion?

Now remember a WBA Champion can be upgraded to Super Champion after he has 5 title defenses.

http://wbanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/WBA_Rules_adopted_in_Panama_8-8-13.pdf

page 8 section C 2.-

Now should have there been a fight within 18 months of Sturm being elevated to Super Champion while he was in his court battle??? Yes 18 months after his fight they shoulda fought to unify the WBA Super & Reg titles.

But then around that time he went to fight with Geale for the IBF unification fight etc... which unification fights > mandatory fights no?

and that's when Geale got stripped for not fighting GGG and GGG was elevated to Super after 5 title defenses right before the Geale fight.

that was all after the fact. The other link had the better details, but I see the link doesnt work because it changed the url. It was from boxing news 24 dot com, so maybe you can find it

[bigjavi973]

that was all after the fact. The other link had the better details, but I see the link doesnt work because it changed the url. It was from boxing news 24 dot com, so maybe you can find it

ok give me a second to check that out.....




OnePunch

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I guess copy the link and space it out before you paste idk lol

[DreamerUSA]

No I am not trying to validate anything. I am outright stating GGG didn't win his title in the ring. No more, no less.

I am doing this because its the truth and it pisses off GGG fans because its the truth.

they elevated GGG only to get more sanctioning fees. They shouldn't have elevated an interim champ to full champ just to get more in sanctioning fees.

What you are saying sounds petty though. Given how things have played out, in the ring, you are basicly trying to discredit GGG for being elevated from interim champ to regular champ, years ago. He earned the IBF title and in doing so unified his belts and earned the WBA Super status. GGG can't control how the sanctioning bodies operate, he can't make these middleweights fight him, but somehow you saying he did'nt earn his WBA regular belt is some huge truth bomb. I mean seriously wtf.

Also as far as Jacobs goes. This is a guy who openly admitted he wanted no parts of GGG a couple years ago, and now wants 3-5 million to fight GGG. This is the guy you want to big up as "legit". Nevermind the fact he would'nt have a strap if GGG had'nt been elevated to begin with.

There are certainly things to criticize GGG for, but if this is one people are going to cling to, its just sad.

[OnePunch]

ok give me a second to check that out.....




OnePunch

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I guess copy the link and space it out before you paste idk lol

just type in boxing news 24 dot com (minus the spaces of course) and add this..... /2010/08/golovkin-vs-nunez-for-wba-middleweight-interim-title-on-august-14th/

[The Big Dunn]

What you are saying sounds petty though. Given how things have played out, in the ring, you are basicly trying to discredit GGG for being elevated from interim champ to regular champ, years ago. He earned the IBF title and in doing so unified his belts and earned the WBA Super status. GGG can't control how the sanctioning bodies operate, he can't make these middleweights fight him, but somehow you saying he did'nt earn his WBA regular belt is some huge truth bomb. I mean seriously wtf.

Also as far as Jacobs goes. This is a guy who openly admitted he wanted no parts of GGG a couple years ago, and now wants 3-5 million to fight GGG. This is the guy you want to big up as "legit". Nevermind the fact he would'nt have a strap if GGG had'nt been elevated to begin with.

There are certainly things to criticize GGG for, but if this is one people are going to cling to, its just sad.

Respectfully, how is the truth petty? I am pointing it out because it is a fact. The point can't be taken out of the context of the discussion.

For the past few weeks, GGG fans like one punch have been discrediting Jacobs "title" defense because they say he won a vacant belt. Ok, cool. But GGG was elevated, never won even a vacant belt, and they give that complete respect.

I think its a fair response. Yes, I do it in part to needle GGG fans. In that respect, yeah its petty.

But posters need to make sure if they have a problem with Jacobs I think they should also have one with GGG. They fully credit him with title defenses despite the way he won the belt.

Is that right?

[rajaomair]

I keep seeing people claim Golovkin has 15 world title defences, but a lot of these were while there was a WBA Super Champion and Golovkin was WBA Regular Champion. If you count these then Jacobs must be the current WBA Champion right now, if not then Golovkin is the Champion. Either way Golovkin doesn't have 15 defences as WBA Champion.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?ti...1#Career_Notes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gennady_Golovkin#Golovkin_vs._Lemieux

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12891966/gennady-golovkin-ready-make-14th-defense-willie-monroe-jr

http://www.thescore.com/news/765833

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/oct/22/andy-lee-gennady-golovkin-future-fight

http://ringsidereport.com/?p=52784

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/k...kin-fight.html

http://www.foxsports.com/boxing/stor...ionship-072515

http://******.craveonline.com/news/3...-pound-ratings

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/genn...willie-monroe/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/box...t-victory.html

use control+f to search for 15 or 14 depending on the last 2 fights

You can find more sources if you want.

[El-blanco]

What you are saying sounds petty though. Given how things have played out, in the ring, you are basicly trying to discredit GGG for being elevated from interim champ to regular champ, years ago. He earned the IBF title and in doing so unified his belts and earned the WBA Super status. GGG can't control how the sanctioning bodies operate, he can't make these middleweights fight him, but somehow you saying he did'nt earn his WBA regular belt is some huge truth bomb. I mean seriously wtf.

Also as far as Jacobs goes. This is a guy who openly admitted he wanted no parts of GGG a couple years ago, and now wants 3-5 million to fight GGG. This is the guy you want to big up as "legit". Nevermind the fact he would'nt have a strap if GGG had'nt been elevated to begin with.

There are certainly things to criticize GGG for, but if this is one people are going to cling to, its just sad.

were having this exact discussion in the other thread. Totally agree.

[bigjavi973]

just type in boxing news 24 dot com (minus the spaces of course) and add this..... /2010/08/golovkin-vs-nunez-for-wba-middleweight-interim-title-on-august-14th/

Ok I see where you coming from.... The reason why sturm wasn't stripped, is because he was elevated to Super and you get 18 months until you have to unify with the other WBA title holder.

But when that time came, he fought Geale instead which is a unification fight and takes precedence over a mandatory fight.

[OnePunch]

Ok I see where you coming from.... The reason why sturm wasn't stripped, is because he was elevated to Super and you get 18 months until you have to unify with the other WBA title holder.

But when that time came, he fought Geale instead which is a unification fight and takes precedence over a mandatory fight.

my argument is that Sturm never should have been elevated to "super" in the first place. He should have been stripped as "regular" champion for not doing the mando with GGG, and instead fighting a guy not even in the top 10.

Had the WBA done the right thing and stripped Sturm, then GGG vs Nunez (crap fight, but thats not the point) would have been for the vacant "regular" title instead of the vacant "interim" title, and then Big Dunn would have to acknowledge him lol

[Alx.]

Title defense records mean **** all today. There are 500 governing bodies making everyone super/mega/baby/tomato can champions for the sake of making more money.