Comments Thread For: Marquez: Estrada is Mexico's Best, Canelo Must Beat GGG

[batista84]

Lara didn't beat canelo he talked a big game to get the fight then disgraced himself by running. Most fighters win or lose you face a big name on the big stage you gain exposure and it helps your fanbase. Yet the opposite happened to Lara who lost a close fight but the way he stunk the joint and embarrassed now haunts him. It's like a bad odor he can't rub off and look at his fights since no fans show up, no fans watch and the ones who do boo him. Lara lost that fight in the ring and with the hearts and minds of fans who still give him grief over it. And trout got dropped and admitted he lost the fight in his post fight interview. Draw my @ss. Listen to trout tell you himself why he lost the fight.

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As for weight canelo makes weight and is not the first fighter to rehydrate after. And he did not have a 15lb advantage against Lara, Trout, Angulo, or Kirkland so stop with that. All those guys are huge and rehydrate a ton. Trout and Angulo have fought last 3 fights at middleweight, kirkland has fought multiple times at middleweight above 154 and lara is talking about moving up to middleweight and started his pro career weighing 158 at the same time when Canelo was fighting at 147. People forget 5 years ago canelo was a welterweight. All those guys i named cut a ton of weight just like Canelo yet i dont hear you bashing them because they make weight and all those guys normally rehydrate 10lbs or more on their opponets at 154.

he fought every fight you or any fans have asked him so again how is he being baby sat? Going by his track record I have no doubt he'll fight GGG because he's fought every fighter guys said he wouldnt so you can't say he is being baby sat, that just makes no sense. He also already fought in 3 different weight classes but you bashing him because he after 1 week winning the title he hasn't fought the best 160 fighter in the world. Yet GGG is over 30 and has yet to move up 1 weight class his ENTIRE career to challenge himself. GGG has yet to fight anywhere close to the competition Canelo has fought. Yet it's Canelo who has to prove himself not GGG? It's canelo who is baby sat despite all these tough fights he's taken but not the long list of fighters I have named in my previous post who have belts for over a year and haven't even fought the top 5 in their weight class yet and those guys all much older then canelo? That's my point it's hypocrisy at its best.

Amen!

Great answer with facts and solid argumentos, you know how these haters are, Canelo will fight GGG, mark my words. that's the biggest fight in boxing right now so It will get done, too much money on the table to let it go.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Lara didn't beat canelo he talked a big game to get the fight then disgraced himself by running. Most fighters win or lose you face a big name on the big stage you gain exposure and it helps your fanbase. Yet the opposite happened to Lara who lost a close fight but the way he stunk the joint and embarrassed now haunts him. It's like a bad odor he can't rub off and look at his fights since no fans show up, no fans watch and the ones who do boo him. Lara lost that fight in the ring and with the hearts and minds of fans who still give him grief over it. And trout got dropped and admitted he lost the fight in his post fight interview. Draw my @ss. Listen to trout tell you himself why he lost the fight.

http://*************/watch?v=nrGs5jbgc3w


As for weight canelo makes weight and is not the first fighter to rehydrate after. And he did not have a 15lb advantage against Lara, Trout, Angulo, or Kirkland so stop with that. All those guys are huge and rehydrate a ton. Trout and Angulo have fought last 3 fights at middleweight, kirkland has fought multiple times at middleweight above 154 and lara is talking about moving up to middleweight and started his pro career weighing 158 at the same time when Canelo was fighting at 147. People forget 5 years ago canelo was a welterweight. All those guys i named cut a ton of weight just like Canelo yet i dont hear you bashing them because they make weight and all those guys normally rehydrate 10lbs or more on their opponets at 154.

he fought every fight you or any fans have asked him so again how is he being baby sat? Going by his track record I have no doubt he'll fight GGG because he's fought every fighter guys said he wouldnt so you can't say he is being baby sat, that just makes no sense. He also already fought in 3 different weight classes but you bashing him because he after 1 week winning the title he hasn't fought the best 160 fighter in the world. Yet GGG is over 30 and has yet to move up 1 weight class his ENTIRE career to challenge himself. GGG has yet to fight anywhere close to the competition Canelo has fought. Yet it's Canelo who has to prove himself not GGG? It's canelo who is baby sat despite all these tough fights he's taken but not the long list of fighters I have named in my previous post who have belts for over a year and haven't even fought the top 5 in their weight class yet and those guys all much older then canelo? That's my point it's hypocrisy at its best.

Let me add this, it's hilarious that Cotto fans would accuse Canelo of such tactics when he's done it himself.

Every fighter, Mayweather, Cotto, Canelo has done this as an advantage. Plus, when Cotto was fighting Geale and Martinez, where was the outrage there?

Public service announcement to fans:

When your fighter loses, take the loss with class and don't act like babies. It makes it worse. Unless it's a clear robbery, there's no reason to b1tch and complain.

Canelo won, Cotto signed the contract and lost. End of story.

[batista84]

Ok man, so are you defending Canelo requesting a 155 CW? he weights a bit more than GGG at fight night, he's not the smaller man. He's the MW champion too.

See how you all are babysitting him?

This is not a case of an optional defense. It's mandatory.

He "fought" some good fighters but everytime having a big weight advantage, similar to Chavez jr. Now he's afraid of losing that weight advantage?

Floyd made him weigh in at 152 but he still outweighted Floyd.

Catchweights are crap, but every top dog does it, Mayweather, Pacquiao, De la Hoya, Cotto, even GGG demanded a CW against Ward!

Trout, Angulo, Kirkland were 170lbs+ on fight night according to official scales, so your logic is flawed.

How you feel been proven wrong with facts?

[Mr. Philadel]

there are a handful of ACTIVE fighters today who I consider worthy of the "GOD" title....Marquez is one of them...I love his style...plus he can fight!!...that said, give the kid a break!!...Marquez be riding the kid hard(pause)....what did Nelo do the ATG?!?...did I miss something?

[onetwopunch]

Marquez is a ATG, Canelo currently is no great, he is still a very good fighter. I think what everyone is trying to say is that Canelo should have blown Cotto out, he should have blown Lara out. That's what seperates great fighters from good fighters. The younger stronger guy should have blown out the older veteran fighter, who's best days are behind him. Canelo is still getting better maybe 2 years from now he will be great, but currently he isnt great.

[_Maxi]

Catchweights are crap, but every top dog does it, Mayweather, Pacquiao, De la Hoya, Cotto, even GGG demanded a CW against Ward!

Trout, Angulo, Kirkland were 170lbs+ on fight night according to official scales, so your logic is flawed.

How you feel been proven wrong with facts?

GGG and Ward belong to very different weight classes. And that fight would not involve any belt.

But GGG and Canelo belong to the same weight class and the fight would be for the belts.

Understand the difference? A55Hole.

[glenn mcrory]

I think JMM is right on target, whether he actually hates Canelo (because he has always gotten more attention than him, due to his looks, not his skills).

I mean, the ones who may think Canelo is better than Estrada (and BTW there's a bunch of other fighters in Mexico now with similar skills, much better than Canelo as well)

Please Youtube this: "gallo estrada vs."

And just choose any option with a big name (Chcolatito, Viloria, Giovani Segura, Tyson Marquez)

Then, watch Canelo fighting any big names in their primes (probably only Floyd, Trout and Lara would count in his case) and compare.

If you think Canelo is better, almost at any skill, then... probably you need an eye doctor. Anyone with good eyesight can easily see that even comparing them is offensive to Estrada, who is WAY better in practically everything:

STAMINA AND CONDITIONING (even comparing them in this, is an insult to Estrada)
Leg movement and speed (again, an insult to Estrada to even compare them)
Defense
Attack
Ring generalship
Ring intelligence
Punching combinations
Punching repertoire
Punching Speed
Power (in his REAL division, of course)

Chin (not sure of this one, none has been tested as of yet, but it will be tough for "Gallo" to ever be tested because he doesn't take tons of punches in every fight like Canelo does, because of his great defense abilities).

BTW JMM was way better than Canelo, and even comparing them is an insult to JMM as well.

If Canelo was the best Mexican boxer now (which he is not even close to, in reality) then Mexican boxing would be in a total decline.

Note: I really enjoy watching Canelo fight, don't get me wrong, because it's very rare to watch a Mexican succeeding at such weight divisions (super-welter and above). But I know his limitations because my eyes work fine, and I also know that not wanting to fight GGG at the REAL MW weight limit is an utterly cowardly move, but of course he KNOWS he will lose that fight most probably by KO, if it happens in the near future at 160.

Agree. Especially in the skills part. Estrada skillwise makes Canelo look like Brian Sutherland by comparison. The fighters Estrada looked more impressive against were also better fighters than the "names" Canelo has fought. Barring Mayweather of course.

[BlakBread904]

Sorry to break it to you bro but hard core fans and media asked for it.

I don't believe you, you need more people.

Adding to that, Trout and Lara are two fighters the majority of hardcore fans do not ask to see. If anything, it was moreso "this guy is a good test for Canelo" than "omg this is gonna be a great fight"

[thecomedian2]

estrada: knocked out viloria when he was arguably top 10 p4p, e

Estrada never K.O Viloria, they went to the distance and Estrada won by SD.. Estrada gets wreked and stopped by Roman in the rematch..

[bigdunny1]

Sorry to break it to you bro but hard core fans and media asked for it.

EXACTLY its sad that fans are now resorting to trying to rewrite history just to try and short change Canelo. Now we got people actually saying that Cotto was washed up when he fought him. lol But just 2 weeks ago Cotto was a new man under Roach having probably the most dominant 3 fight streak of his career in which he won the LINEAL Middleweight championship of the world and destroyed one of the BEST names on GGG's entire resume. Cotto vaulted back on the top 10 p4p lists based on these performances and had many included JMM predicting he would beat Canelo. But now that Canelo beats him he all a sudden he's some washed up fighter? I call BS.

And now you got people saying that nobody wanted Trout or Lara fights as a way to discredit his wins. News flash in 2012 Trout was GGG. He was in his prime undefeated world champ who just smacked around Cotto. He was the boogeyman that everyone said Canelo will NEVER fight Trout he's too much a risk look what he did to Cotto. And Canelo fought and beat him. In 2014 Lara world champ in his prime after beating Angulo and then beating Trout he was the new boogeyman a southpaw who can make you look bad in ugly fights. EVERYONE said Canelo would not fight him. Canelo fought and beat him. To say nobody was asking for these fight means you just started watching boxing yesterday because fans were asking and demanding this fight just like fans today are asking for GGG. Canelo been trying to fight Cotto for 3 years now but he kept turning down the fight so he fought Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Lara, Kirkland and then Cotto finally agreed to fight and he beat him too. Say whatever you want about Canelo one thing you can't say is he is afraid to fight someone he has literally fought EVERYONE the fans want him to.