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Originally posted by NEETzsche View Posti'd give paul williams a good shot to beat anyone golovkin has beaten to date
prime paul williams, or the paul williams who fought lara? different guys, obviously.
paul williams was eventually a middleiweght himself, and used to be a SMW on fight night when he was a WW. he's a completely unique fighter, and also has a tenure at the weight to back up your opinion. HW reach, southpaw, solid chin at the lower weights, high volume.
still, he was stretched by martinez, a much lesser puncher than lemieux. by tyhe time he made it to 160 the wars had started to catch up. i'm also not concinced that he didn't figh tmargarito when he had plaster in his gloves.
don't think that golovkin would have any trouble knocking him senseless. the guy was always available to get hit if you had enough craft to get inside of his long ass arms. i remember how easily carlos quintana hit him in the first fight, for example.
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Originally posted by Bardock View PostK Golovkin wins every fantasy fight hands down. Its blasphemous of us to question the greatness of GGG the GOAT.
have you watched lara vs angulo?
you can be honest with NE. i'm not here to make you feel bad. i'm genuinely here to educate people about boxing. i know a lot, and most of you don't.
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Originally posted by New England View Posthave you watched lara vs angulo?
you can be honest with NE. i'm not here to make you feel bad. i'm genuinely here to educate people about boxing. i know a lot, and most of you don't.
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"I've studied him, I know his flaws... and as soon as i get into the ring with him, I'm going to discard my research and get on my bike."
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Originally posted by New England View Postprime paul williams, or the paul williams who fought lara? different guys, obviously.
paul williams was eventually a middleiweght himself, and used to be a SMW on fight night when he was a WW. he's a completely unique fighter, and also has a tenure at the weight to back up your opinion. HW reach, southpaw, solid chin at the lower weights, high volume.
still, he was stretched by martinez, a much lesser puncher than lemieux. by tyhe time he made it to 160 the wars had started to catch up. i'm also not concinced that he didn't figh tmargarito when he had plaster in his gloves.
don't think that golovkin would have any trouble knocking him senseless. the guy was always available to get hit if you had enough craft to get inside of his long ass arms. i remember how easily carlos quintana hit him in the first fight, for example.
to me the point of dispute here isn't whether golovkin should fight lara but whether it's even possible with the hbo-pbc beef. in an ideal world, i'd rather see golovkin versus lara than any other opponent not named canelo, ward or froch - wouldn't you?
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Originally posted by Bardock View Postlol you arrogant son of a b1tch. Yes I've seen it. So now we're using triangle theories to suit our arguments? Nice.
a triangle theory in boxing and an analysis of styles are completely different things. styles make fights. do you not agree?
one is the idea that guy a beats guy c if he beat guy b [who also beat guy c.]
for starters, angulo didn't even beat lara! triangle theory, doe!
what i did was predict what's actually going ot happen in the ring to the best of my ability based on a style match that we've already seen with lara. angulo, who does nothing better than golovkin, but who does have a similar style based on shrinking the ring, had a lot of success with lara. he put him down and hurt him seriously. he was able to get to the body and slow lara's movement. this is extremely important!
you got your notepad out, brih? school can be in session if you're willing to learn.
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Originally posted by New England View Posta triangle theory in boxing and an analysis of styles are completely different things. styles make fights. do you not agree?
one is the idea that guy a beats guy c if he beat guy b [who also beat guy c.]
for starters, angulo didn't even beat lara! triangle theory, doe!
what i did was predict what's actually going ot happen in the ring to the best of my ability based on a style match that we've already seen with lara. angulo, who does nothing better than golovkin, but who does have a similar style based on shrinking the ring, had a lot of success with lara. he put him down and hurt him seriously. he was able to get to the body and slow lara's movement. this is extremely important!
you got your notepad out, brih? school can be in session if you're willing to learn.
Seems like his fans have more confidence in the stylistic match up than GGG himself.
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Originally posted by NEETzsche View Postwell golovkin is not just any middleweight. i'd pick him over lara or williams even in hypothetical pound-for-pound match-ups. just saying i think lara would beat anyone golovkin has faced so far (except maybe lemieux due to a bad style match-up), so if that's a pointless fight then all the others were too
to me the point of dispute here isn't whether golovkin should fight lara but whether it's even possible with the hbo-pbc beef. in an ideal world, i'd rather see golovkin versus lara than any other opponent not named canelo, ward or froch - wouldn't you?
i don't think lara has separated himself as some kind of can't miss 154 lber. i don't know where, outside of bscene rhetoric, lara has developed that kind of backing.
i know they're boring, but if you watch his fights, you see that the bscene rhetoric / backing and the actual ability to not line up. he's struggled with 154 lbers, and he straight up ran away from canelo alvarez [ a 155 lber.]
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