Comments Thread For: De La Hoya: Canelo-Golovkin Needs Time To Marinate

[jqSide]

Forget Canelo. Let's have Golovkin vs Lara in early next year. Lara doesn't need marination.

[The plunger man]

you dont get it, canelo is not after that title, and when he moves up to 160 he will fight GGG with or without the title, and if it happens on a year or two it will only benefit canelo who is only getting stronger and more experienced, it will be wiser from their side to make it later...
if GGG wants it now he will have to call canelo at whatever weight canelo fights... before the kirkland fight canelo said the plan was to get a title fight at 154 in the near future, so if that happens 155 will be out of the question for GGG, he will have to make 154 for that fight...
and ill be honest if the fights happens tomorrow at 160 i will give GGG the edge, if it happens at 155 or 154 edge for canelo IMO, and if it happens late 2016 or early 2017 at 160 it will be a close fight...

What you honestly think canelo can make 154 without literally draining himself......I think we both know canelos 154 days are well behind him and if he does make it....I gurantee you 2 things...one is he will be weight drained and two he literally has no one to fight down there besides Bradley ....but who cares boxing has always been about world titles and as long as canelo is stripped for failure to fight his mandatory then I'm fine with that.....all I know is anything above 154 it's triple GGG territory and anybody who wants to win a worl title will need to face golovkin

[nielon]

Originally Posted by nielon View Post
(repeating myself here)


Does it make TripleGay any better, does it give TripleGay more credentials, respect he so desperately need or even gives him the payday he should be getting by now, does that help TripleGay PPV miserable status ???


Answer the question or keep crying....

Not really. But .....

thats where I stopped reading... of course....

Case closed bruh

[elgu]

thats where I stopped reading... of course....

Case closed bruh

I wouldn't expect anything more from you. With so few neurons they are bound to start misfiring at any point.

[Savage Poster]

Mr. 97K needs to build a fan base before Canelo even thinks about him, . Poor Little G and his little **** fans, .

[JaguaresMx]

Seems like a big difference in those situations.. Ward + Kova = same division..

Cotto-Canelo-Triple G = same division...

See the difference?

We're even giving Little Rigo a pass for not moving up 4 measly pounds in a very low-weight class and duck Loma.. We also gave Floyd a pass for ducking Triple G while being champion at 154..the weight division the fight would have happened...

I see where you are going with this..you're basically defending the duckers... that's fine..

The real size diff between Cotto and GGG matters more than technicalities.

And I am surprised you imply Rigo is getting a pass (for what? Already fights bigger guys), when out of all the boxers you listed....

Only GGG has not moved up or down to chase a fight. when he is outweighted by 20 lbs like Floyd against Canelo, let me know.

Floyd a ducker ? He moved 5 divisions or so.

GGG refuses to move to force fights

So, who is getting the pass?

[j0zef]

Canelo and Cotto do not want to fight GGG because they think they may lose

GGG does not want to fight Ward because he thinks he may lose

Ward does not want to fight Kovalev because he thinks he may lose

If you're a boxing fan, you shrug, laugh, and see it for what it is: boxers making their best decision for their careers (as they think)

But if you're one dimensional fan of either, all of them are cowards except for your guy. Have to say it though, GGG fans are the worst at this.

Here's the thing though..

Cotto is smaller than GGG, but is in same division.
Canelo is same size or bigger than GGG, and is in same division.
Ward's last fight was 172, and he said he needs to cut to make 175. That makes him between 1.5 to 2 divisions above GGG.
Ward is either at Kov's limit or slightly under it.

There's also the issue of Golovkin being Cotto/Canelo's mandatory, as well as Ward having no other legitimate options besides Kovalev, which again, is not true for Golovkin and Cotto. Canelo doesn't have as many options - he's too big to fight at 147 or 154.

[icha]

What you honestly think canelo can make 154 without literally draining himself......I think we both know canelos 154 days are well behind him and if he does make it....I gurantee you 2 things...one is he will be weight drained and two he literally has no one to fight down there besides Bradley ....but who cares boxing has always been about world titles and as long as canelo is stripped for failure to fight his mandatory then I'm fine with that.....all I know is anything above 154 it's triple GGG territory and anybody who wants to win a worl title will need to face golovkin

this i agree, if canelo cant make 154 no more then he needs to move on, he was 154.5 in his last fight with no problems, he should be able to cut 1/2 pound for a title... if he doesnt, then no more JMW opponents... a lot was said about him weighting 168 or 169 for the 30 day weigh in, but the reality is that he weighted almost the same for the fights vs josesito, floyd, trout, etc, 168 for those fights, he is been waiting the same for years now, he should be ok going to the scale...

[FrankieClutch]

People are going to b*tch about this, but I agree with Oscar this fight needs to build. As a GGG fan, I'd rather see Canelo establish himself at MW like Tito did prior to Hopkins. Tito running through Vargas, Reid, then Joppy created momentum to the point Bernard was an underdog. If Golovkin beats Alvarez now, he won't receive alot of credit like what happened with Lemeiux.

I wouldn't mind letting it marinate, but I need Canelo to move up to middleweight if he wins then. He can't stay at 154 (or 155) if he beats Cotto.

[JaguaresMx]

Here's the thing though..

Cotto is smaller than GGG, but is in same division.
Canelo is same size or bigger than GGG, and is in same division.
Ward's last fight was 172, and he said he needs to cut to make 175. That makes him between 1.5 to 2 divisions above GGG.
Ward is either at Kov's limit or slightly under it.

There's also the issue of Golovkin being Cotto/Canelo's mandatory, as well as Ward having no other legitimate options besides Kovalev, which again, is not true for Golovkin and Cotto. Canelo doesn't have as many options - he's too big to fight at 147 or 154.

I know that Cotto is technically in the same division. But in reality he is much smaller. He is going to get wrecked. And is going to prove nothing other than GGG, a naturally more powerful boxer, can absolute shred a smaller boxer. What will that prove? Cotto is cashing out. Do we really expect an outcome other than GGG brutalizing Cotto?

Canelo is not bigger than GGG. Fight night weight is no evidence. Rios was heavy last week. But he has never fought a true 160 lbs. If They were the same size, GGG would be going down to 154. But I bet you GGG can't actually make it that low. Canelo can. With that said, once Canelo grows into 160, and if GGG is still there, then of course it becomes blatant.

To me the larger thing is GGG. His PPV bombed. He has no leverage. Clearly the other two guys don't want to fight him either ever or at this point, call it a duck, call it fair, it doesn't matter. What GGG needs to do is call their bluff, move to 154 (he claims to be a small MW), or move his ass to 168 and chase other fights. He can't be sitting around waiting for guys who don't want to fight him. Call their bluff or chase something else.