Another myth: Mayweather moving up five divisions while GGG not willing to moveup one

[Rath]

Pacquiao had no amateur career. When Floyd started amateurs he started in the same weight class Pacquiao started in as a pro. Your argument in the OP is that Golovkin has moved up, but counting his amateur career.

imagine that no amateur experience and yet becomes fighter of the decade 8 division world champion and move up 7 weight classes feat nobody can ever do ever again.

[Nubia]

Jesus Christ it's this the worst self-ownage in NSB history?

[Scipio2009]

GGG is not a big middleweight people, hes an averaged sized middleweight and I bet Canelo is actually the bigger man
Why is it a requirement that GGG goes up to 168lbs to challenge Ward?
Ward moved up because he was struggling to make the SMW limit, hes also a tall guy at 6'1 so his capacity to move up weightclasses is more than GGG whos only what 5'10-5'11?
GGG doesnt struggle to make the MW limit and looked chubby in his last fight against Wade.
GGG needs to fight the best in his division, he hasnt done that yet. He has no business fighting ward because he hasnt actually proved hes the best in the MW division yet, no matter how many people say otherwise.

It's not a requirement; the moment, though, that Golovkin stood by and let Abel Sanchez run his mouth about Golovkin whooping every fighter 154-168, Golovkin had to stand by the words from his camp.

If Sanchez had kept his mouth shut (or simply kept things to his even then folly "Ray Robinson, Hagler, and Golovkin are the three best middleweights ever" statement), there would've been no problem.

Floyd was a smallish welterweight, acknowledged that he what he was, and maxed out challenging himself at 154lbs, letting everyone know that he simply wasn't physically big enough to campaign at 160 (though never doubting his skills if someone was put in front of him)

[Johnwoo8686]

nope final score card says red corner won, slow mo videos confirms that.

LOL nice try, all three judges said they mistook the red corner and blue one. Upon reviewing tape of the fight all three had Floyd winning by a margin of 10 to 2. If you need a bias slow mo video posted by some idiot who doesn't watch boxing to tell you who won, then you should stop watching boxing.

HBO, Showtime, the official judges, and all of the commentators had Floyd winning. Just stop!

[_Maxi]

You haven't debunked a damn thing. The only person who has ever said Mayweather moved up five divisions is YOU! Mayweather fought in five weight classes. He moved up from 130 to 154 during his professional career. Golovkin has fought at 160 for all of his professional fights. That is a fact! You can't debunk it, no matter how many asinine threads you produce!

Read this http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...8&postcount=81

How does it feel to get owned?

Plus: If GGG turned pro at 19 like Floyd, he would have fought at 3/4 divisions already. But he turned pro at 24. Understand that assh0le?

Floyd was gifted a chance to fight Hernandez for the 130 lineal title after beating 20 bums with red records. Imagine if GGG got the same treatment?

[aldo5408]

In slow motion and with the sound off Floyd still won

[Larry the boss]

This is down right pathetic

[BrometheusBob.]

I have already debunked the myth that says that Mayweather is outweighed by 10-20 pounds each fight. See here.

Lets proceed with the next one: "Floyd took risks and moved up five divisions."


1) Mayweather did not move up five divisions.

He started professionally at 130. The maximum division he fought at was 154. Lets count:

130->135 = 1 move
135->140 = 2 move
140->147 = 3 move
147->154 = 4 move

So he moved up 4 times, not 5.

Also, he became professional at 19 years old. So he didn't just move up, he grown up most of the time.

2) When Golovkin was 19 years old, he was fighting in the amateurs as a welterweight. He turned pro very late, at 24 years old. If we make the same comparison, he grown up two divisions.

147->154 = 1 move
154->160 = 2 move

So he has moved up two times. I think that sometime in the future he will move up for a few fights at 168, like Mayweather did at 154.

3) I've also heard: "Even Ward moved up one division, he started at 160". Ward started at 160 when he was 20 years old in 2004. When he was 24, he was already a 168 fighter.

4) Fighters from the smaller divisions tend to be able to move up more divisions easily for two reasons:
a) The divisions are separated by 4 or 5 pounds instead of 7 or 8.
b) The fighters in the small divisions train differently, they are usually more skinny, and they still have margin for winning easy weight by changing the training method. The fighters in the bigger weights have no chance of naturally moving up more than one division. The only thing they can do is take steroids to grow muscle (like Roy Jones did to be able to move up)

and 5) You don't need to move up to prove you're great. Andre Ward can stay at 168 and I'll never criticize him for that. There's no need to criticize a fighter just because of jealousy. Ward had his moment in 2011-2012. Golovkin is having his moment now, let the guy be. He is beating anyone, winning all rounds, and KOing everyone.

6) If moving up in weight is what makes you great, then Pacquiao (moved up seven times) and DLH (moved up five times) are greater than Mayweather.

7) There's a pattern in 99% of his fights. He's the taller guy or the guy with more reach. He never fights being outsized. Being outsized is one of the risks of boxing, but he never takes that risk. He only did it a few times in all his career. He CAN make 160, but he knows it means losing the size advantage. Other fighters with less height than him, such as Cotto or Duran, have fought in the 160 division.

Your definition of 'debunk' is very loose. You basically just say 'seems awfully su****ious that Mayweather is only 150lbs in the ring' when it isn't su****ious at all.

How many fighters at WW have a longer reach than Floyd Mayweather? It's pretty uncommon. Anyway, we don't have 'reach classes', we have weight classes. Floyd was often not the bigger man in terms of weight.

Even with your added context, you still admit that Floyd moved up more weight classes. And further, every time he did so he fought legitimate fighters at those new weight classes. You haven't seemed to prove that GGG has done that though. Or that he's taken any risks, which is really the point people are bringing up when they point out how many divisions he's moved.

[BrometheusBob.]

Pacquiao had no amateur career. When Floyd started amateurs he started in the same weight class Pacquiao started in as a pro. Your argument in the OP is that Golovkin has moved up, but counting his amateur career.

Actually that's not true. He moved to Manila at 14 to start as an amateur, and fought over 60 amateur bouts before turning pro less than 2 years later.

It used to say this in his TR bio but it does not anymore :-/.

Here is one source that briefly mentions it:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxin...ther-Jr-boxing

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

This is down right pathetic

Your definition of 'debunk' is very loose. You basically just say 'seems awfully su****ious that Mayweather is only 150lbs in the ring' when it isn't su****ious at all.

How many fighters at WW have a longer reach than Floyd Mayweather? It's pretty uncommon. Anyway, we don't have 'reach classes', we have weight classes. Floyd was often not the bigger man in terms of weight.

Even with your added context, you still admit that Floyd moved up more weight classes. And further, every time he did so he fought legitimate fighters at those new weight classes. You haven't seemed to prove that GGG has done that though. Or that he's taken any risks, which is really the point people are bringing up when they point out how many divisions he's moved.

It's hilarious to me how this ****** is counting Golovkin's AMATEUR weight but doesn't count Mayweather's. The guy started at 106lbs as an amateur. So, TS, can you do the math and tell us how many weight classes that is for Mayweather now? Since we're counting amateur weights too and all.

EDIT: These bumps are hilarious.