Comments Thread For: World Boxing Council To Join IBF With Same Day Weighin?

[Eastcoast]

The WBC will now have multiple weigh-ins starting from 30 days to 12 hours before the fight, this is excellent. But I'd like to see them take one extra step and add a few tests that measures a fighters hydration level the day of the fight to insure the brain is properly protected.

I posted a few articles here previously where California & Alabama are passing laws for amateur fighters that are similar to NCAA wrestling where you undergo testing to see what your safest weight would be, then prohibit fighters from going below that. We need to get away from guys like Brandon Rios looking like skeletons at the weigh-in and away from guys like Peter Quillin & Chavez Jr outweighing their opponents by 20lbs.

[ShoulderRoll]

I think this is a good move. If you are gaining 20 pounds on fight night then you don't belong in that weight division.

Beat guys based on skill not based on having a size advantage.

[PittyPat]

Or change the belts they fight for..

It's no coincidence that it's pretty rare for the top fighters to fight for IBF titles, much less to defend them. Floyd only fought for an IBF belt once, and vacated it straight away. Yet he has a ton of WBC championships. Have you ever wondered why? Manny defended his IBF belt for a while at 122, but once stardom was in sight he never touched another.

Cotto has never fought for an IBF title, and Canelo enjoys a lenient Mexican relationship with the WBC.

If you have the pull with a corrupt organisation like the WBC or WBA, why bother with enforced mandatories and a same day weigh-in? Ill be very surprised if the WBC implement this and enforce it to all WBC champions.

Good thinking. I made a post in 2010 wondering why it seemed so hard to unify the IBF belt with others - I think you've answered it best. I like how they're quick to strip a beltholder for inactivity or refusing to fight a mandatory. No wonder Mayweather or Pacquiao haven't touched their belt for years, as you pointed out.

All the while it took the WBO all of this year to strip Rigondeaux, and the WBA still hasn't stripped Mayweather for not defending the 154 title since Maidana II. The only active fighter I can think of that has managed to keep hold of an IBF title and others is Wladimir, who always fights his mandatories. We'll see if Kovalev does the same.

[285Kid]

Oh boy so many boxers will have to move up in weight , Thurman, Canelo, Chavez Jr , Rios, etc ,etc

[AddiX]

The WBC will now have multiple weigh-ins starting from 30 days to 12 hours before the fight, this is excellent. But I'd like to see them take one extra step and add a few tests that measures a fighters hydration level the day of the fight to insure the brain is properly protected.

I posted a few articles here previously where California & Alabama are passing laws for amateur fighters that are similar to NCAA wrestling where you undergo testing to see what your safest weight would be, then prohibit fighters from going below that. We need to get away from guys like Brandon Rios looking like skeletons at the weigh-in and away from guys like Peter Quillin & Chavez Jr outweighing their opponents by 20lbs.

Same day weigh ins won't stop that, these guys are specifically pick opponents who they know are smaller.


I honestly think same day weigh ins is a terrible idea. But its hard to know because I've never seen it before.

But IMO, fighters deserve to have a day of rest from weigh in to fight time, to allow there body's to adjust. You'd probably have guys crapping themselves mid fight.

Not even kidding.

[Bardock]

Wait, the IBF does same day weigh-ins where you can be no less than 10 pounds the contract weight? Sort of confused here.

Are they talking about the second weigh-in after the weigh-in the day before the fight?

It has flaws though because its the morning of the fight. Which means by fight night there's 12 hours of re-hydration. Lemule weighed in like 169 the morning of the fight and 175 during the fight.

[Eastcoast]

Same day weigh ins won't stop that, these guys are specifically pick opponents who they know are smaller.


I honestly think same day weigh ins is a terrible idea. But its hard to know because I've never seen it before.

But IMO, fighters deserve to have a day of rest from weigh in to fight time, to allow there body's to adjust. You'd probably have guys crapping themselves mid fight.

Not even kidding.

The NYSAC is supposed to have a law preventing weight-differences like Quillin/Zerafa due to the Gamache/Gatti lawsuit, but they sound actually more strict about not enforcing it. I forget where I heard about them not letting HBO do fight-night weights on one occasion.

Now that Quillin is working with Memo, Memo stated in an interview w/ TBV that he could get Quillin down to 160 much easier, but he'd still have him rehydrating to 180...




Well the same-day weigh-in is more of a rehydration limit check. Bottom line is they want the fluid in the brain to be intact and for the fighters to be approximately the same weight.

Honestly I can't believe commissions don't require fighters to be tested hours before the fight to insure they're properly hydrated. Seems at all costs, you'd want to prevent a partially dehydrated fighter from getting into the ring.

[AddiX]

The NYSAC is supposed to have a law preventing weight-differences like Quillin/Zerafa due to the Gamache/Gatti lawsuit, but they sound actually more strict about not enforcing it. I forget where I heard about them not letting HBO do fight-night weights on one occasion.

Now that Quillin is working with Memo, Memo stated in an interview w/ TBV that he could get Quillin down to 160 much easier, but he'd still have him rehydrating to 180...




Well the same-day weigh-in is more of a rehydration limit check. Bottom line is they want the fluid in the brain to be intact and for the fighters to be approximately the same weight.

Honestly I can't believe commissions don't require fighters to be tested hours before the fight to insure they're properly hydrated. Seems at all costs, you'd want to prevent a partially dehydrated fighter from getting into the ring.

I trained with Gamache before and I never heard of any weigh in law in NY. He had an on-going lawsuit but it was thrown away.

Fighters are still going to cut a lot of weight even if it's same day weigh in. They still do it in the amateurs.

And rehydration doesn't always take immediately, sometimes the body is so starved it takes time for it to adjust to water and calories, which is why we do day before weigh ins.

And I'm not bsing about fighters crapping themselves with same day weigh in, in happens in amateur wrestling more often than you'd think.

IMO, its the diuretics that are the problem. Without the diueretics they couldn't lose this kind of weight so easy.

[Hougigo]

well... guess JCC Jr won't fight Jack for a title

[techliam]

Good thinking. I made a post in 2010 wondering why it seemed so hard to unify the IBF belt with others - I think you've answered it best. I like how they're quick to strip a beltholder for inactivity or refusing to fight a mandatory. No wonder Mayweather or Pacquiao haven't touched their belt for years, as you pointed out.

All the while it took the WBO all of this year to strip Rigondeaux, and the WBA still hasn't stripped Mayweather for not defending the 154 title since Maidana II. The only active fighter I can think of that has managed to keep hold of an IBF title and others is Wladimir, who always fights his mandatories. We'll see if Kovalev does the same.

Yeah I agree with everything you've said

You can also look at the situation from another perspective - from a sanctioning body view. Its extremely rare to see a WBC/IBF unification. When unification bouts happen, negotiations between the sanctioning bodies has to take place regarding how to split the sanctioning fee, how to separate/manage mandatories (the arrangement with Klitshchko's mandatories works pretty well, they all take turns), which judges/referees are entered into consideration, and importantly which rules are implemented in a fight (such as whether or not the open scoring is used, or the same day weigh in etc). I've assumed that the WBC wanted more control, and the IBF are stubborn in their need to enforce rules, but its just a guess - these negotiations happen behind closed doors. With a supposed implementation of the same day weigh in, we see the WBC/IBF rules coming into alignment, we may see that WBC/IBF unifications are easier to achieve.

Which is great as I want to see a Gonzales-Ruenroeng unification bout.

On a sidenote, one thing these sanctioning bodies can do to improve the current mess, is to reintroduce the concept of 'unified mandatories' - establishing a mandatory fighter for all titles if they are unified. It still happens rarely, as Fury is both the WBA/WBO mandatory, but it should be widespread. The top contenders of the IBF/WBA/WBO should fight to establish a single mandatory for Kovalev/Wlad.