Comments Thread For: World Boxing Council To Join IBF With Same Day Weighin?

[Eastcoast]

I trained with Gamache before and I never heard of any weigh in law in NY. He had an on-going lawsuit but it was thrown away.

Fighters are still going to cut a lot of weight even if it's same day weigh in. They still do it in the amateurs.

And rehydration doesn't always take immediately, sometimes the body is so starved it takes time for it to adjust to water and calories, which is why we do day before weigh ins.

And I'm not bsing about fighters crapping themselves with same day weigh in, in happens in amateur wrestling more often than you'd think.

IMO, its the diuretics that are the problem. Without the diueretics they couldn't lose this kind of weight so easy.

Actually Gamache won the lawsuit back in 2010, but went back and reread some of the court findings and they only found NYSAC commission negligent on how they conducted the official weigh-in and then stated since there's no rule about rehydration there's nothing they could do about Gatti coming in heavy.

I swore I read a Hausser article following up on this regarding policy change on rehydration weights, and I also remember Lampley talking about it. But I can't find any links so maybe I'm full of ****?


There's also talk about better medical checks the day of fights making sure fighters are properly hydrated before they get into the ring. Drug testing is supposed to catch the diuretics, but yeah they're abused.

[AddiX]

Actually Gamache won the lawsuit back in 2010, but went back and reread some of the court findings and they only found NYSAC commission negligent on how they conducted the official weigh-in and then stated since there's no rule about rehydration there's nothing they could do about Gatti coming in heavy.

I swore I read a Hausser article following up on this regarding policy change on rehydration weights, and I also remember Lampley talking about it. But I can't find any links so maybe I'm full of ****?


There's also talk about better medical checks the day of fights making sure fighters are properly hydrated before they get into the ring. Drug testing is supposed to catch the diuretics, but yeah they're abused.

What did Gamache win? I'm pretty sure he got nothing which would mean he lost. In any case, that was just an ugly scene.

As for the Hauser article, I dunno. It could of just been some ideas being foated around. NY politicians do a lot of that, but never actually do anything.

Truth is the commission has to tip toe that line between safety and $. Commissions don't want to lose fights, or become undesirable for promoters. NYC taxes make it tough as it is, especially with the cost of a NYC venue.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Seems like many of you are putting it on the Sanctioning Bodies, not the fighters

I understand what you are saying but to the detriment to the fighters, they would no longer enjoy that 24 hour window to replenish all of those nutrients, vitamins and minerals they depleted while cutting water weight. Moreover, the opportunity to weigh closer to their natural weight on fight night would be lost because they can only weigh 10lb above their contracted fight weight.

The same day weigh in should discourage excessive draining, because you have less time to get back to normal, thus hurting your overall performance.

If fighters still choose to game the system, at what point is that on them if they harm themselves.

The most important thing should be they are not able to game the system.

Having a guy come in 15-20 pounds heavier than his opponent may very well be more dangerous than the loss of nutrients, vit, and mins.

It gives them much less time to rehydrate fully, and keeps them from being too heavy.

Wouldn't it be better just to tell the fighters to stop being ****ing *******?

[aboutfkntime]

The same day weigh in should discourage excessive draining, because you have less time to get back to normal, thus hurting your overall performance.

If fighters still choose to game the system, at what point is that on them if they harm themselves.

The most important thing should be they are not able to game the system.

Having a guy come in 15-20 pounds heavier than his opponent may very well be more dangerous than the loss of nutrients, vit, and mins.

It gives them much less time to rehydrate fully, and keeps them from being too heavy.

Wouldn't it be better just to tell the fighters to stop being ****ing *******?

Don't be ridiculous.

Some fighters use steroids, others load their gloves.

Of course they will play the system if possible.

The system needs to come correct, and it needs to suit all fighters.

You have a small (badly over-stated) point..... but to a large extent you are crying over nothing, as usual.

Even with the 17 divisions today you will always get slightly smaller guys fighting slightly larger guys..... so fkn what?

Back in the day a small LW would be outweighed by 15lbs+ by a large welter.

Things are much better now, stop crying over nothing..... IF Canelo is killing himself to make weight, Cotto will find out, and Cotto will beat him..... get over your hate for Canelo you childish twat.

[Sparked_26]

The same day weigh in should discourage excessive draining, because you have less time to get back to normal, thus hurting your overall performance.

If fighters still choose to game the system, at what point is that on them if they harm themselves.

The most important thing should be they are not able to game the system.

Having a guy come in 15-20 pounds heavier than his opponent may very well be more dangerous than the loss of nutrients, vit, and mins.

It gives them much less time to rehydrate fully, and keeps them from being too heavy.

Wouldn't it be better just to tell the fighters to stop being ****ing *******?

It definitely isn't.

Put a cooking pot on your head and have someone hit you with a baseball bat on the pot. And see what happens. That is essentially what is happening to a dehydrated fighter on fight night. You would need to pad the inside of that pot to stop you getting Ko'd.

You can say it is on them etc. But I wouldn't want to see Rios under these conditions. It is not a blood sport. Someone could kill him.

[PittyPat]

On a sidenote, one thing these sanctioning bodies can do to improve the current mess, is to reintroduce the concept of 'unified mandatories' - establishing a mandatory fighter for all titles if they are unified. It still happens rarely, as Fury is both the WBA/WBO mandatory, but it should be widespread. The top contenders of the IBF/WBA/WBO should fight to establish a single mandatory for Kovalev/Wlad.

That surprised the hell out of me, more so than any Haymon or alphabet shenanigans. A contender holding the same rank with 2 sanctioning bodies and a champion being able to deal with 2 mandatories in one! :shk1: