Waddell+Reed's PBC investment has lost 59% of it's value.

[IMDAZED]

Jesus Christ man, can you just focus on the point instead of nitpicking? I clearly said in the post above "it's not over by a long shot". Yes, it could have been better up to right now, they could have done better, I never said it was over. Again, the window is small so if it's 8 months however long, so what? They don't have an infinite amount of time and as shown by the thread topic they don't have an infinite amount of cash either.

On one hand you're saying they have a small window. On another you're saying it's not over by a long shot. What is your point exactly?

[STAX ON DECK]

its almost as if boxing fans want to continue paying for overpriced PPVs and combining a SHO/HBO subscripton (usually around $40/mo on top of your existing cable sub) if it means they get boxing free of haymon/pbc.....i wonder why they go thru those great lengths to justify that line of thinking??

i remember i had one of the cheapest packages on directv and after my free 3mos of hbo/showtime were up i was paying almost 100$/mo for a cheap ass package where i would only watch a few channels here n there. haymon has eliminated that

[LA_2_Vegas]

I figure they are doing a brand immersion sort of thing where you see PBC everywhere, you don't really know what it is, but intuitively know it's boxing. You spend a year familiarizing people with some of the bigger names and after a while newer fans can start to put the pieces together as to who should be fighting who. At that point, they need to add a face to the company.

in this meantime though, it has led to some head scratching matchmaking. I sort of expected them to have questionable matchamaking and didn't expect them to be TR in this dept so I give them room to maneuver.

My patience doesn't last forever though, I expect to see a face put on this thing and for actual promotion of real fights to commence. They need a guy to promote the fights

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personally, I am enjoying the abundance of fights. There are a lot of new faces that have been brought to TV and I'm glad for that - I'm hoping it will give rise to the return of the TV friendly fighter (ie. Sammy Vasquez, frampton, etc.) Ultimately, I have faith in the fighters themselves, the guys who are hungry and want to make sacrifices to make the best of the opportunity given to them. The fighters are the reason I watch.

so far some under-the-radar guys I like to watch Vasquez, Tabiti, Caleb Plant


[the numbers aren't great, and the numbers for GGG weren't great, well see if that was indicitive of mismatches or if boxing as a whole needs to dig itself out of a ditch following May-Pac.

also, there is 10% of me that thinks it's all just a money laundering operation:]

[Rath]

You'd probably have better luck teaching a dog to talk than you would imparting basic economic concepts to the Pac crowd .

pac fans fault again?

[ИATAS]

On one hand you're saying they have a small window. On another you're saying it's not over by a long shot. What is your point exactly?

Why are you wasting my time trolling? If you want to close your eyes and ears and pretend everything is perfect and live in la la land, by all means. PBC can do no wrong and obviously there is no point discussing any shortcomings or things they could be doing better because they've been absolutely perfect in every way possible and they are making insane profits.

Lets also pretend "having a small window to be successful" and "it's not over" are contradictory, because comprehension, who needs it right? I mean, if I were to say to you they have a small window and they still have time to turn things around hopefully if they get their sh it together and start making a profit, what are you going to nitpick at then? How about you actually stick to the points?

[IMDAZED]

Why are you wasting my time trolling? If you want to close your eyes and ears and pretend everything is perfect and live in la la land, by all means. PBC can do no wrong and obviously there is no point discussing any shortcomings or things they could be doing better because they've been absolutely perfect in every way possible and they are making insane profits.

Lets also pretend "having a small window to be successful" and "it's not over" are contradictory, because comprehension, who needs it right? I mean, if I were to say to you they have a small window and they still have time to turn things around hopefully if they get their sh it together and start making a profit, what are you going to nitpick at then? How about you actually stick to the points?

How about you make a point? I think you need to go back and read our conversation from the beginning. See how we got here. And why your emotions are coming out.

[ИATAS]

I figure they are doing a brand immersion sort of thing where you see PBC everywhere, you don't really know what it is, but intuitively know it's boxing. You spend a year familiarizing people with some of the bigger names and after a while newer fans can start to put the pieces together as to who should be fighting who. At that point, they need to add a face to the company.

Yeah, maybe it's kind of a throw everything on the wall and see what sticks type of scenario, but its making me nervous that they are going to run out of funding before they figure it all out. Still, you'd think they could have been doing better with a lot of the matchmaking. It makes me question whether they know or care about what fans want to watch.

[ИATAS]

How about you make a point? I think you need to go back and read our conversation from the beginning. See how we got here. And why your emotions are coming out.

What emotions? My point's should be obvious - they haven't put together a consistently good product, the matchmaking has been bizarre/poor and they could have done a much better job. You could have been discussing this rather than nitpicking my posts.

[Pac=Duran]

its almost as if boxing fans want to continue paying for overpriced PPVs and combining a SHO/HBO subscripton (usually around $40/mo on top of your existing cable sub) if it means they get boxing free of haymon/pbc.....i wonder why they go thru those great lengths to justify that line of thinking??

i remember i had one of the cheapest packages on directv and after my free 3mos of hbo/showtime were up i was paying almost 100$/mo for a cheap ass package where i would only watch a few channels here n there. haymon has eliminated that

I don't live in America you bender. The quality of boxing has nose dived since PBC came along. I don't pay for PPV's anyway, but it's easier to find a stream of a PPV than to find PBC streams.

Anyway I'm glad it's almost over hahahaha

[Sugar Adam Ali]

People are ******.... Way too soon to make any calls on success/failure of PBC

They spent a
Ot of money upfront, locking down TV time over the next couple of years.. To put it in terms that the NSB poster can comprehend, it would be like paying for 4 years worth of rent at once.. Yes it's a lot of money but for the next 4 years you don't pay rent..

pbc has some problems, namely match making and not having their own belts and not becoming the bellator of boxing, but all those can be resolved...

Idiots on here with a high school diploma or less, or the college educated ******** won't understand the business side, but what is happening is common for every young business..

Amazon, Facebook, etc took years of losing money to hit big.. PBC is no different.. And live sports programming is the most lucrative TV venteure of the era.. Sports is the one thing people don't DVR and watch later,,, they watch live and sit thru the ever important commercials..

Pbc has made some mistakes along the way, no doubt.., they should have just used the money and bought 4 years worth of fights on espn2 every Saturday night and built and grew an audience just like bellator has.
pbc biggest mistake was having random fights on random channels on random days.. They need to be like WWE and bellator and have one program on one channel, same night of the week, every week, and build your audience of that..
Pbc should have debuted with four man tournaments to determine champs, just like most mma organizations do.. Had they given the fans a welter tourney with garcia-khan and thurman-Porter with winners fighting each other, pbc would be a much bigger deal, especially if they aligned with espn, much like how ufc is aligned with fox