Comments Thread For: Pacquiao is Warned By Ex-Coach To Avoid Crawford

[Bronx2245]

He countered Fraud plenty of times even slipped his counters while coming in regularly. Open your eyes fight was close anyway don't forget Manny is a southpaw I don't think Crawford turning southpaw will benefit him.

8-4 Floyd!

[Spoon23]

It's slim pickings. He should retire. I wish it was 2009 again but it's not. Crawford worries me. Crawford will be the man in the JWW and WW divisions for many years. I'm very impressed.

It worries you, because you see what I see. TC is the real deal.

A live dog that will give Pac all sorts of troubles.

I wouldn't be surprise if he wins it.

[chirorickyp]

It worries you, because you see what I see. TC is the real deal.

A live dog that will give Pac all sorts of troubles.

I wouldn't be surprise if he wins it.

You got that right. PacMan should retire rather than fight Crawford. He's what the WW divison has been lacking for 30 years. "Politically Correct speaking" he's not a flat footed short armed slow fighter with a great chin. Having said that, Floyd would be wise to stay retired and not fight this live dog either. Crawford will be knocking guys out for many years. The next generation has begun.

[Combat Talk Radio]

The history books have many errors ..Bradley never beat Manny ..

History cannot have an error. You just don't like the outcome. But the outcome is the outcome.

I can sit here and say that Meldrick Taylor beat JCC, and that Joe Frazier beat Ali in the rubber match. Neither happened. No matter how much people wish otherwise.

Tim Bradley beat Manny Pacquiao in a close SD. Period. That's fact.
Tim Bradley did in one fight what Marquez failed to do in 3 against Manny. That's fact.
Tim Bradley did in one fight what Mosley, Margacheato, Cotto, Rios, Clottey and Barrera failed to do. That's fact.
Tim Bradley beat Marquez in one fight, easily, where Manny has struggled in four fights. That's fact.
Tim Bradley has only ever lost ONE fight. That's fact.
Manny Pacquiao failed to show up against Bradley. Fact.
Manny Pacquiao failed to show up against Floyd. Fact.

Now, here's the thing. You dispute Bradley's win. I dispute Manny's win (given Floyd destruction of him afterwards and his failure to stop Algieri). I think Bradley can beat Manny AGAIN, easier this time. But regardless, the controversy and headlines around Bradley = ratings. That's what Boxing needs - ratings. And he has the record to back up his credibility as a final opponent for Manny.

Amir Khan won't bring ratings after barely getting past Algieri, who's fresh off a UD loss from Manny.

Crawford isn't ready. I don't care what people say, he's not ready. No more ready than Canelo was when he faced Floyd, no more ready than Manny was when he faced Morales the first time. He's not ready. Manny would walk right through him at this point. It'll be Mayweather/Berto all over again.

[BrometheusBob.]

History cannot have an error. You just don't like the outcome. But the outcome is the outcome.

I can sit here and say that Meldrick Taylor beat JCC, and that Joe Frazier beat Ali in the rubber match. Neither happened. No matter how much people wish otherwise.

Tim Bradley beat Manny Pacquiao in a close SD. Period. That's fact.
Tim Bradley did in one fight what Marquez failed to do in 3 against Manny. That's fact.
Tim Bradley did in one fight what Mosley, Margacheato, Cotto, Rios, Clottey and Barrera failed to do. That's fact.
Tim Bradley beat Marquez in one fight, easily, where Manny has struggled in four fights. That's fact.
Tim Bradley has only ever lost ONE fight. That's fact.
Manny Pacquiao failed to show up against Bradley. Fact.
Manny Pacquiao failed to show up against Floyd. Fact.

Now, here's the thing. You dispute Bradley's win. I dispute Manny's win (given Floyd destruction of him afterwards and his failure to stop Algieri). I think Bradley can beat Manny AGAIN, easier this time. But regardless, the controversy and headlines around Bradley = ratings. That's what Boxing needs - ratings. And he has the record to back up his credibility as a final opponent for Manny.

Amir Khan won't bring ratings after barely getting past Algieri, who's fresh off a UD loss from Manny.

Crawford isn't ready. I don't care what people say, he's not ready. No more ready than Canelo was when he faced Floyd, no more ready than Manny was when he faced Morales the first time. He's not ready. Manny would walk right through him at this point. It'll be Mayweather/Berto all over again.

Lol at picking Bradley over Manny in a rubber match. That's just denial.

What impact do the Floyd and Algieri fights have on the disputability of Bradley/Manny II? None at all. The fight produced a clear winner and no real discussion about whether the appropriate fighter had been given the decision.

Also what is controversial about Ali/Frazier III? Frazier didn't get up for the 15th. Comparing apples and oranges here by bringing that up with Taylor/ Chavez and Bradley/Manny which were amongst the most universally criticized outcomes of boxing matches.

But mostly lol at comparing Mayweather-Berto to Pacquiao-Crawford. You're comparing a borderline unsanctionable fight with a fight between two top ten P4P fighters.

[joseph5620]

Stylistically I don't see where Crawford would trouble Pacquiao.

[Ray*]

Timothy Bradley also said the same thing last week. He said he would never fight Crawford. He said he use him as a sparring partner and he had to send him home, said Crawford brought it to him every day. In the end they sent him home.

[imperial1]

History cannot have an error. You just don't like the outcome. But the outcome is the outcome.

I can sit here and say that Meldrick Taylor beat JCC, and that Joe Frazier beat Ali in the rubber match. Neither happened. No matter how much people wish otherwise.

Tim Bradley beat Manny Pacquiao in a close SD. Period. That's fact.
Tim Bradley did in one fight what Marquez failed to do in 3 against Manny. That's fact.
Tim Bradley did in one fight what Mosley, Margacheato, Cotto, Rios, Clottey and Barrera failed to do. That's fact.
Tim Bradley beat Marquez in one fight, easily, where Manny has struggled in four fights. That's fact.
Tim Bradley has only ever lost ONE fight. That's fact.
Manny Pacquiao failed to show up against Bradley. Fact.
Manny Pacquiao failed to show up against Floyd. Fact.

Now, here's the thing. You dispute Bradley's win. I dispute Manny's win (given Floyd destruction of him afterwards and his failure to stop Algieri). I think Bradley can beat Manny AGAIN, easier this time. But regardless, the controversy and headlines around Bradley = ratings. That's what Boxing needs - ratings. And he has the record to back up his credibility as a final opponent for Manny.

Amir Khan won't bring ratings after barely getting past Algieri, who's fresh off a UD loss from Manny.

Crawford isn't ready. I don't care what people say, he's not ready. No more ready than Canelo was when he faced Floyd, no more ready than Manny was when he faced Morales the first time. He's not ready. Manny would walk right through him at this point. It'll be Mayweather/Berto all over again.

Who won against Penrell Whitaker and Julio Ceasar Chavez

History has that as a daw ?

Or Lennox Holyfield 1 history also has this as a draw ?


Seems you you eat what ever your fed ,no matter what decision was rendered in Pacquio Bradley 1 nothing that Tim Bradley did in the fight will make me believe he beat Manny or was even close to competitive in that fight .You can side with what ever judge you want etc but like those who scored it for Bradley none of them know **** about boxing if they can honestly score that for him !

And Bradley can beat Manny he's 0-2 he's never beat him..But I'll let you u spin what ever fantasy you want ..Because their is no sound logic for giving Bradley that W.


So like I said history has errors you can either chose to ignore ore those FACTS or believe them !

[Combat Talk Radio]

Who won against Penrell Whitaker and Julio Ceasar Chavez

History has that as a daw ?


Or Lennox Holyfield 1 history also has this as a draw ?

Glad you mention that fight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_judge

With three judges, unanimous decisions and split decisions are possible, as are draws. Because of the open-ended style of boxing judging, fights may end with controversial results, in which one of the fighters may believe they have been "stolen" or unfairly denied a victory. A draw will result if all three judges call the fight even or if one judge favors one fighter, a second judge's card supports the other and the third calls the fight a draw. The March 1999 heavyweight unification bout between Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis at Madison Square Garden is an example of a draw where all three judges had scored the fight differently, with Eugenia Williams favoring Holyfield, Stanley Christodoulou favoring Lewis and Larry O'Connell calling the fight a draw.

In other words, since you don't know how boxing works:

• The judging is subjective. In that fight, one of the judges was poorly placed by Don King. That's not the judges' fault.
• The boxer's opinions are subjective.
• The fans IN THE ARENA's opinions are subjective.
• The commentators' opinions are subjective.
• The guest scorer's opinion is subjective (Steve Farhood frequently has totally offbase scoring)
• The ref's opinion is subjective, though he has authority with that subjectivity. Go back and watch 30-For-30 "No Mas". Duran says he didn't say it, ref says he did. Tony Weeks and Pat Russell stopping fights because they "think" they hear bells? Ref in the Chavez/Taylor fight stopping it with SECONDS remaining? Mills Lane allowing Tyson to have lunch on Holyfield's ear? Ref allowing Magomed Abdusalomov to basically become a paraplegic? It's all subjective.
• The fans watching on broadcast - their opinion is subjective.
• The fans on boards like this watching Mayweather/Pacquiao on slow mo after the fact trying to prove a point - it's all subjective.

That's what you don't get. The sport is filled to the brim with subjectivity. The only thing that matters is what is announced at the end of the fight, so long as it's not overturned. Period.

Going by that simple fact, Tim Bradley beat Manny Pacquiao. Manny Pacquiao failed his fans against Floyd and in many eyes he's washed up, a shell of a man.

Now, there's an easy way to settle it. Rubber match.
Bradley earned back the title that he once took off Manny.
Bradley got that title from Floyd being stripped.
Floyd got it from beating Manny.

It's all full circle. Now, let's see Manny take his title back AGAIN from the guy who took it from him TWICE.

Manny's fresh off a loss - the worst of his career from a rep standpoint. Last fight before he allegedly retires. He's either going out a winner or a loser. And he has a chance to fight an opponent that I feel is better than Andre Berto.

If he can't beat Timothy Bradley in the rubber match, it will prove once and for all that his ship has sailed. Bradley will take his rightful place at the top of Top Rank, have a few more fights before he turns 40, then pass the crown on. Teddy Atlas will have worked a miracle.

If Manny beats Bradley easier than he did in the second fight, it'll help validate that he was just off the night he fought Floyd.

He needs that fight. They both do - assuming Bradley can get past Rios.

[Spoon23]

History cannot have an error. You just don't like the outcome. But the outcome is the outcome.

I can sit here and say that Meldrick Taylor beat JCC, and that Joe Frazier beat Ali in the rubber match. Neither happened. No matter how much people wish otherwise.

Tim Bradley beat Manny Pacquiao in a close SD. Period. That's fact.
Tim Bradley did in one fight what Marquez failed to do in 3 against Manny. That's fact.
Tim Bradley did in one fight what Mosley, Margacheato, Cotto, Rios, Clottey and Barrera failed to do. That's fact.
Tim Bradley beat Marquez in one fight, easily, where Manny has struggled in four fights. That's fact.
Tim Bradley has only ever lost ONE fight. That's fact.
Manny Pacquiao failed to show up against Bradley. Fact.
Manny Pacquiao failed to show up against Floyd. Fact.

Now, here's the thing. You dispute Bradley's win. I dispute Manny's win (given Floyd destruction of him afterwards and his failure to stop Algieri). I think Bradley can beat Manny AGAIN, easier this time. But regardless, the controversy and headlines around Bradley = ratings. That's what Boxing needs - ratings. And he has the record to back up his credibility as a final opponent for Manny.

Amir Khan won't bring ratings after barely getting past Algieri, who's fresh off a UD loss from Manny.

Crawford isn't ready. I don't care what people say, he's not ready. No more ready than Canelo was when he faced Floyd, no more ready than Manny was when he faced Morales the first time. He's not ready. Manny would walk right through him at this point. It'll be Mayweather/Berto all over again.

No he didn't win the first one.

Infact, Bradley in an interview before the 2nd fight said. If he beats me in the 2nd fight then I'll admit that I lost the 1st fight.

Bradley was on a wheelchair after the first fight. He knew he lost that one lol