Comments Thread For: Gennady Golovkin and The Pay-Per-View Dance Partner

[HURTFEELINGS]

You guys are sooner or later gonna have to appreciate what Floyd really did for boxing. Come back floyd, boxing needs you to save it again

[about.thousands]

I have to wait till I see the official PPV numbers. I have been bit by early leaked sources of how many PPV's a fighter did early in a week only to see later in the week or the following week get different numbers. For example Mayweather Berto early sources said 500K plus PPV buys. By the end of the week it was at 400K or less PPVs. And I've seen others where early in the week one number and later on the PPV buys was much higher.

Having said that if the official numbers come out and are indeed at 150K then I wouldn't say this is a failure for HBO. I'm guessing at that number they either make a slight profit or break even plus they will get good tv ratings for the rebroadcast. This is however a huge failure for GGG for the simple fact that it totally weakens any leverage he might of had with the winner of Canelo/Cotto. If he had gotten 200-300K PPVs it puts pressure on the those guys. Now the winner can use this as an excuse to avoid the fight all together or take him to the cleaners in negations and take the lion share of the profits and leave GGG with just the left over scraps. Especially if Canelo/Cotto as predicted by many does big PPV numbers. I don't even see how GGG could justify even a 25/75 split of the profits.

Loeffler hasn't denied those number. Instead he made an excuse by saying adding a belt & selling out MSG is important to building a PPV star. The numbers are trending down. They're expected to be closer to 125k than 150k. How can you say the numbers aren't bad when Loeffler himself said 200k would be a success?

[bigdunny1]

Loeffler hasn't denied those number. Instead he made an excuse by saying adding a belt & selling out MSG is important to building a PPV star. The numbers are trending down. They're expected to be closer to 125k than 150k. How can you say the numbers aren't bad when Loeffler himself said 200k would be a success?

Read what I said I never said the numbers weren't bad. I'm saying if the numbers are true HBO probably didn't lose any money but for GGG it's without a doubt bad and I stated the reasons because it. It killed any leverage with Canelo/Cotto and might end up being the excuse both need to bypass fighting him. The failure is not so much from a dollar standpoint on the event. Between the PPV sales and live gate I think HBO is still in the black. The failure is if this PPV ends up costing GGG a fight with Canelo/Cotto and even if the fight does still happen he without a doubt will get bent over and ****d by those guys in negotations

[bigdunny1]

Just because Manny did doesn't mean GGG will. Besides, Manny had huge wins under his belt long before he blew up.

Maybe GGG needs a couple of those.

That's my point I don't think it's about race or nationality. Manny proves that you can still be a star without being in the prime US demographic. What really made Manny cross over was a signature win against Oscar De La Hoya. Same with Floyd. If GGG wants to cross over he needs one of those type wins.

[deathofaclown]

150k isn't great but the only PPV dance partner he has is Canelo or Cotto.

I don't think Ward would get many PPV buys either and even if he fought GGG, it wouldn't do huge numbers. Ward just isn't well known, doesn't have much of a selling point for a promoter/TV network and never built on his momentum after the super 6, due to inactivity. Pacquiao had his humble religious persona to counter Floyd's money persona, both good selling angles, GGG has his smiling charming broken english nice guy who could flatten a horse persona they can build on. Cotto made his name through bringing exciting fights, or Canelo had some marketability as the red headed Mexican kid who was going to be the new star.

Ward offers very little in this department, nor is he an exciting fighter to make up for his lack of personality, so he doesn't really make a good dance partner for GGG in terms of generating big money. GGG doesn't need Ward in terms of business. That fight isn't going to crossover into the mainstream so even if he beats Ward, it has less impact than if he beats Cotto for example. Even if the true boxing fans know it's by far a more impressive win.

He really needs the winner of Cotto v Canelo if he's going to progress in his stardom as a fighter. Beating Ward would be amazing, but it would hardly make a dent outside of the boxing world.

I would prefer the GGG v Ward as a boxing fan. But the guys making money out of this would take GGG v Canelo/Cotto in a heartbeat because it makes business sense.

[dnash1911]

That's my point I don't think it's about race or nationality. Manny proves that you can still be a star without being in the prime US demographic. What really made Manny cross over was a signature win against Oscar De La Hoya. Same with Floyd. If GGG wants to cross over he needs one of those type wins.

Manny had already built a fan base by beating Barrera, Morales and Marquez even level competition he like Floyd didt take off until he beat Oscar an established star there is no fight on horizon to catapult GGG except the winner of Cotto-Canelo. If that does well if few watch than it wont mean anything

[The Big Dunn]

That's my point I don't think it's about race or nationality. Manny proves that you can still be a star without being in the prime US demographic. What really made Manny cross over was a signature win against Oscar De La Hoya. Same with Floyd. If GGG wants to cross over he needs one of those type wins.

Prior to those fights, each had a win over a HOF level opponent Genaro and MAB/Morales. They also had big wins like corrales, saskul, Castillo, etc. this is the piece you keep missing.

They had HUGE wins and ODH took them over the top. On the flip side, BHop beat ODH, he never became a big PPv star.

[SUBZER0ED]

It's not bad from a financial standpoint for HBO. HBO likely lost money on those fights because of Manny's huge purse requirements. But all the fighters combined on the GGG PPV made only a fraction of what Manny alone was paid. 150K X $50 = 7.5mil and it's likely more then that if people bought the HD PPV. Then you add the gate for MSG which sold out 22k seats. So I can't see how HBO lost money they either slightly made money or at worst broke even. But the reason it's still a failure is it proves GGG is not a star capable of carrying a PPV. And totally weakens his leverage with Canelo/Cotto. From a negotiations standpoint and leverage much better off if his last fight were on regular HBO and it did big TV Ratings then doing a PPV that flopped and trying to negotiate a fight with Canelo/Cotto based on those numbers. If neither Canelo/Cotto fight GGG next year this PPV will be cited as the reason. That would make this PPV is a failure.

I don't think that the PPV numbers of this fight will carry a lot of weight in negotiations with either Canelo & especially not Cotto. I say this because expectations couldn't have realistically been high for GGG's PPV debut against Lemieux, given that the odds were so lopsided. Even the mighty PPV king Mayweather saw low numbers in his last fight, because Berto's weak drawing power. Canelo likely wants to increase his star power, and thus would not low-ball Golovkin too much, because it would be a lucrative fight. Cotto on the other hand, would low-ball Golovkin regardless, because he's a diva. Furthermore, his utter fear of the man would cause him to set impossible terms, which would kill any deal.

[The Big Dunn]

I don't think that the PPV numbers of this fight will carry a lot of weight in negotiations with either Canelo & especially not Cotto. I say this because expectations couldn't have realistically been high for GGG's PPV debut against Lemieux, given that the odds were so lopsided. Even the mighty PPV king Mayweather saw low numbers in his last fight, because Berto's weak drawing power. Canelo likely wants to increase his star power, and thus would not low-ball Golovkin too much, because it would be a lucrative fight. Cotto on the other hand, would low-ball Golovkin regardless, because he's a diva. Furthermore, his utter fear of the man would cause him to set impossible terms, which would kill any deal.

Glaser is reporting 97k. I don't think it was that low but if so, no leverage whatsoever.

[Nomadic]

Is there much demand for him to fight Ward.. I mean Ward has been in the witness protection plan for like four years.

Every time you mention the two in the same post it blows up. So I'm pretty sure it will sale.