Comments Thread For: Gennady Golovkin and The Pay-Per-View Dance Partner

[zzat]

Pac did 250k with Algieri, right..... and 400k with Rios ?

Pacquiao was extremely well established at that stage, a huge star really.

I dont know, 150k doesn't sound too bad, tough times and all ?

Consider that these numbers were after Manny had been KO'd by JMM and they were not that great for a reason.

The 125 - 150K done by GGG is just bad.
You have to consider that this is a man who had 20 KO's going into this bout.

[b00g13man]

Good article.

[Eff Pandas]

150K buys sounds like good numbers for a debut IMO. If he can get the other top guys at 160 to face him, his stock will definitely keep rising.

Idk about that. Considered alone I think 150k just isn't good numbers. Typically the PPV guys who become PPV names do double or more those numbers in their PPV debut. Thing is I think GGG has some big disadvantages guys like Manny, Floyd, Oscar, Miguel, Tyson, Holyfield & Lewis didn't have for their PPV debuts.

First & probably most notably GGG's debut was packed into a ten week window with the biggest PPV star in boxing history (Floyd on Sept. 12) & the likely next big PPV star in boxing history (Canelo on Nov. 21). If you don't think some guys used or will use their allotted PPV boxing money on one of those two fights rather than a PPV noob I don't think you know much about being on a budget like most Americans.

Second & as someone alerted me to in one of these other threads I think 150k might actually be #3 all time most buys for a US PPV fight involving no Americans or Latinos. And I think its only the 4th fight like that in PPV history (Manny vs Clottey-700k buys, Lewis vs Tua-420k buys & Vitali vs Danny Williams-120k buys) that I'm aware of. And Manny & Lewis both had 1M+ buys in previous fights so were established PPV guys with their superior numbers.

And third, this fight wasn't seen as a competitive fight by most fans. For the most part in PPV boxing history you'll see few impressive PPV results by fights not deemed competitive, even by big names in the business, & you'll see no impressive numbers by PPV noobs in fights not seen as competitive.

With all those factors realized & considered I don't think you can look THAT negatively on these numbers. And I definitely don't think a reasonable person knowing these things would suggest this ends GGG's PPV career or is a massive flop or anything like that.

[kennethjohn]

did they have a quebec ppv for this?? french version.

[SteveM]

damn that was a hard flop.

cotto/canelo winner will treat him like a scrub in negotiations (if it even gets to that).

155lb , 80-20 split. take it or leave it

but ward is a nobody? this nobody just lined up the biggest fight of next year to crown a new p4p king.

i like triple g, but that guy sanchez was talking crazy sht, he not only dismissed ward as irrelevant, he said monroe was a bigger name than lara.

now its their turn to get btch slapped by a true A side.

cotto/nelo winner will now say triple g is a nobody.

You can't say that GGG is a nobody and then fight somebody of a much lesser stature and not be ridiculed. So, ahem, they won't say that.

[SteveM]

Idk about that. Considered alone I think 150k just isn't good numbers. Typically the PPV guys who become PPV names do double or more those numbers in their PPV debut. Thing is I think GGG has some big disadvantages guys like Manny, Floyd, Oscar, Miguel, Tyson, Holyfield & Lewis didn't have for their PPV debuts.

First & probably most notably GGG's debut was packed into a ten week window with the biggest PPV star in boxing history (Floyd on Sept. 12) & the likely next big PPV star in boxing history (Canelo on Nov. 21). If you don't think some guys used or will use their allotted PPV boxing money on one of those two fights rather than a PPV noob I don't think you know much about being on a budget like most Americans.

Second & as someone alerted me to in one of these other threads I think 150k might actually be #3 all time most buys for a US PPV fight involving no Americans or Latinos. And I think its only the 4th fight like that in PPV history (Manny vs Clottey-700k buys, Lewis vs Tua-420k buys & Vitali vs Danny Williams-120k buys) that I'm aware of. And Manny & Lewis both had 1M+ buys in previous fights so were established PPV guys with their superior numbers.

And third, this fight wasn't seen as a competitive fight by most fans. For the most part in PPV boxing history you'll see few impressive PPV results by fights not deemed competitive, even by big names in the business, & you'll see no impressive numbers by PPV noobs in fights not seen as competitive.

With all those factors realized & considered I don't think you can look THAT negatively on these numbers. And I definitely don't think a reasonable person knowing these things would suggest this ends GGG's PPV career or is a massive flop or anything like that.

Good points Panda from an even-keel perspective. Not sure how many people on here are reasonable, otherwise known as taking an unbiased point of view. 90% have an agenda.

[about.thousands]

You can't say that GGG is a nobody and then fight somebody of a much lesser stature and not be ridiculed. So, ahem, they won't say that.

So what your saying is that they can't do to GGG what GGG is doing to Watd

[Cinci Champ]

The only guys that matter are:

Winner of Quillin-Jacobs
Wnner of Cotto-Canelo
Andy Lee

It would take less than 2 years to get those fights in since GGG fights 3+ times a month. The dates just need to be sorted out.

Eubank Jr. and Saunders hold no real worth or challenge at the moment.

Ievgen Khytrov, the only real promising prospect I've seen is still very early in his development.

well we both know quillen jacobs winner wiont be fighting ggg no one wants to see ggg demolish andy lee and cotto and canelo both want a catch weight. thats kind of the point of this article in the face of that does he fight bums or move up and make a big fight against a true opponent my guess is bums

[dnash1911]

So what your saying is that they can't do to GGG what GGG is doing to Watd

And people loled at Floyds last ppv. No matter how you spin it those numbets are bad, both Most ppv stars debut at 300k ppv first time out. There is nothing wrong with not being a ppv star. Chavez wasnt, Gatti wasnt, Barrera wasnt, most fighters arent. Just bc youre a good fighter doesnt make the average person want to trade theyre saturday night to watch a fight. That takes special well marketed in America fighter. The Klitscho dont fight on ppv here but well paid. GGG doesnt have options or.named opponents to ever be ppv star. But thats ok

[bigdunny1]

I have to wait till I see the official PPV numbers. I have been bit by early leaked sources of how many PPV's a fighter did early in a week only to see later in the week or the following week get different numbers. For example Mayweather Berto early sources said 500K plus PPV buys. By the end of the week it was at 400K or less PPVs. And I've seen others where early in the week one number and later on the PPV buys was much higher.

Having said that if the official numbers come out and are indeed at 150K then I wouldn't say this is a failure for HBO. I'm guessing at that number they either make a slight profit or break even plus they will get good tv ratings for the rebroadcast. This is however a huge failure for GGG for the simple fact that it totally weakens any leverage he might of had with the winner of Canelo/Cotto. If he had gotten 200-300K PPVs it puts pressure on the those guys. Now the winner can use this as an excuse to avoid the fight all together or take him to the cleaners in negations and take the lion share of the profits and leave GGG with just the left over scraps. Especially if Canelo/Cotto as predicted by many does big PPV numbers. I don't even see how GGG could justify even a 25/75 split of the profits.