Comments Thread For: Roc Nation: GGG's Team Turned Down Ward in 36 Minutes

[HeroBando]

so golovkin the question that is begging to be asked is:

are you a priZe fighter or a priDe fighter?

That would be a much tougher question for Ward

[Progrssive_Jedi]

finally we're getting somewhere. ..you admit little g would lose to ward..

that goes to show how much faith you have in the guy.. im actually a bigger ggg fan than you because i actually want to see him test himself whereas you want him to keep stacking up the tomato cans

asking little g to move up ONE division is equivalent to asking him to drink cyanide according to his irrational groupies.

I never said such a thing.

You just contradicted yourself. You think he'd lose, but want him to test himself.

All while forgoing shot at MW unification.



You guys want him to lose, so you choose Ward, because you think that's who can beat him.

But then you say GGG sucks.

Makes a lot of sense.

I've already said Ward would be a tough out, he holds so much.

But honestly, I don't think Ward makes it 12 with GGG.

Even if you like GGG. Doesn't mean he should move up before completing his goals.

He has bigge fights where he is at.

Only way Golovkin gets the fight in the first half of 2016 would be if Cotto or Canelo savaged the other within 6 rounds (a la Cotto-Geale or Alvarez-Kirkland); barring injury, literally any other result would lead to Cotto-Alvarez 2 on PPV May/June 2016 (possibly earlier, to open up the new Las Vegas Arena). On top of that, if the rematch does happen, the winner (and loser) of the fight likely won't get into the ring again until the late fall.

Maybe I'm just a pessimist.

No one is earnestly expecting Golovkin-Lemieux to even do marginally decent business on PPV, but having that PPV fight to close out the year before heading into 2016 with Golovkin-Johnson and Golovkin-Heiland as the likely fights in the que (possibly on PPV, as I don't picture HBO being happy to go into the budget and put either fight on regular HBO) is placing a lot of hope on the Cotto/Alvarez fight actually happen.

And, imo, people are significantly discounting Andre Ward; he's only 31 years of age, he's the sport's best fighter (only reason that's even a conversation is because of inactivity; after sitting on the sidelines for 14 months, Ward showed no real signs of rust in utterly outclassing a guy who pushed the WBO 168lb champion through most of their two title fights), is signed to a promoter that's willing to put in the money, is based out of one of the country's top 5 media markets, and is coming back at a time when the sport is looking to fill a large void (18k-seat Oracle Arena, 18k-seat Barclays Center, and 20k-seat Las Vegas Arena can all be rotated in between).

Ward's personality already being TV friendly, while also coming to the table with hardly any baggage to his name, sets him up great once he gets active again.

They already addressed this.

If Canelo and Cotto want to keep fighting, fine. It just won't be for the 160 pound Lineal title.

Remember, they Had to get a step aside agreement from GGG to fight for the title.

Team GGG already said they are not taking another. They want the title.

I'm talking about Scipio dude

My bad

[i'm a fun haver]

Ward is living off his accomplishments from years ago. No different than the 35 year old who peaked in high school and still wears his lettermans jacket.....

lets face it. Ward is "Rob Lowe with cable".....

I bet Ward can throw a football over them mountains lol

[Chuckguy]

I bet Ward can throw a football over them mountains lol

Omg I laughed so hard I woke up my wife thanks a lot ***! Lmfao

[Progrssive_Jedi]

I bet Ward can throw a football over them mountains lol

I don't know, with that chopping right.

[Scipio2009]

HBO ppv is a game changer pal. If it does 400k somehow, 70/30 is about right. And even a decent number like 250k will create that much more pressure on Canelo. If that goes down, then Ward would be lucky to get 80/20

Golovkin-Lemieux is not going to do anywhere near 400k PPV buys.

Beyond that, pressure on Canelo? lol. Between Canelo's TV rights deal in Mexico, his new deal with HBO, his sponsorhips, any share off of the live gate, and the fact that he's co-promoter for all of his own fights, among other things, he's likely clearing $5m-$7m per fight, regardless of who he fights.

Outisde of Mayweather/Cotto or Pacquiao(maybe), Alvarez can take a 90/10 split on the proceeds from the fight, fight anyone he wants at 155, and make his money.

250k PPV buys, once everyone else gets paid, amounts to $6m for the promoters/fighters to split up. just to keep perspective here

[HeroBando]

Golovkin-Lemieux is not going to do anywhere near 400k PPV buys.

Beyond that, pressure on Canelo? lol. Between Canelo's TV rights deal in Mexico, his new deal with HBO, his sponsorhips, any share off of the live gate, and the fact that he's co-promoter for all of his own fights, among other things, he's likely clearing $5m-$7m per fight, regardless of who he fights.

Outisde of Mayweather/Cotto or Pacquiao(maybe), Alvarez can take a 90/10 split on the proceeds from the fight, fight anyone he wants at 155, and make his money.

250k PPV buys, once everyone else gets paid, amounts to $6m for the promoters/fighters to split up. just to keep perspective here

Canelo would lose a lot of respect if he dropped that belt to avoid GGG. Will he, I don't know but he seems better than that.

There's nobody at MW or above than can sell 250k by himself on HBO ppv. Canelo and Cotto barely did more recently. You put two guys like that together and you have serious ppv sales.

[Scipio2009]

So you would sign the deal for your fighter to split 50/50 next year when his value will be even higher than it is now? Do you not see what RocNation n Ward are trying to do here?
You know K2 isn't in the business of doing favors for Andre Ward, right?
They are in the business of getting the most money for their client(in this case GGG)
The whole world owes Andre Ward because of what he did 4 years ago in a tournament lol

Also, Ward is fighting Kovalev now? lol
Ward isn't even confirmed to be fighting his next tune up on the Cotto Canelo undercard.

If I was K2, I would've sat down for the negotiations and at least figured what the best split that I could secure for Golovkin, and then weighed that against the actual likelihood of getting Cotto/Alvarez to step in with him, but also what I could reasonably expect the split on that possible fight to be.

Being WBC 160 mandatory challenger simply affords Golovkin a ceiling of 25% of the possible bid for the fight (Cotto/Alvarez will likely offer a flat fee and rights to Germany for the fight, threatening to simply walk away, a la Floyd-Guerrero, if Team Golovkin try and push things).

56/44 off of a Golovkin-Ward PPV versus 15/85 (possibly just a flat fee) off of a Cotto/Alvarez-Golovkin PPV that has a 15% chance of getting made, the safe money takes the Ward offer [none of Golovkin's 160 belts are on the line, the Lemieux PPV fight was on the verge of being locked in, Ward would be Golovkin's biggest opponent by far, Ward-Golovkin would generate strong media attention, and, if he were able to pull it off, he'd be an instant star, getting him Cotto/Canelo afterwards.

Your value is only what people are willing to put up; Roc Nation put Golvokin's value at 50/50 while being open to negotiate.

[HeroBando]

If I was K2, I would've sat down for the negotiations and at least figured what the best split that I could secure for Golovkin, and then weighed that against the actual likelihood of getting Cotto/Alvarez to step in with him, but also what I could reasonably expect the split on that possible fight to be.

Being WBC 160 mandatory challenger simply affords Golovkin a ceiling of 25% of the possible bid for the fight (Cotto/Alvarez will likely offer a flat fee and rights to Germany for the fight, threatening to simply walk away, a la Floyd-Guerrero, if Team Golovkin try and push things).

56/44 off of a Golovkin-Ward PPV versus 15/85 (possibly just a flat fee) off of a Cotto/Alvarez-Golovkin PPV that has a 15% chance of getting made, the safe money takes the Ward offer [none of Golovkin's 160 belts are on the line, the Lemieux PPV fight was on the verge of being locked in, Ward would be Golovkin's biggest opponent by far, Ward-Golovkin would generate strong media attention, and, if he were able to pull it off, he'd be an instant star, getting him Cotto/Canelo afterwards.

Your value is only what people are willing to put up; Roc Nation put Golvokin's value at 50/50 while being open to negotiate.

Uh but you're clueless with numbers and such. Lol at Ward being a better money option than Canelo/Cotto.

[Scipio2009]

You're assuming just because he was 173 3 weeks away from the fight that that would be his walk around weight? There's a reason he's planning a trip to 175 soon, and it's not just because of a lack of options at 168.

None us know exactly what Ward's walk around weight is, using examples from 2 or 3 years ago doesn't really say anything for a fighter that's been inactive, nor does his 3 week weigh in weight. It's all speculation.

I think he walks around 180. I don't have any proof of that. I just think with his commitment to head to 175 he's bigger than what many believe. Golovkin likely walks around 175. Not a huge gap between the two. Again, just speculation.

I'm not; Ward has said that he walks around at 180lbs (On ESPN, Sportnation). I'm simply making the statement that, with 3 weeks to go, Ward should've been able to work off that remaining 5 pounds in the gym, if need be; have seen folks sweat off 5 pounds in the sauna on weigh-in day.

To hear folks here tell it, Ward is a giant fighter, boiling himself down to tray and squeeze into 168; that simply does't appear to be the truth.