Comments Thread For: Arthur Abraham-Martin Murray Looms For 11/21

[giacomino]

What is the basis for saying Abraham is #1 in the division currently? He fought the same guy - who was never close to #1 in the division - four times, and twice beat Paul Smith, whom Ward slapped around like he was a 13-year-old. Every time Abraham has stepped up to the big boys he's lost. Can't see how he's a consensus #1. Murray-Abraham is a nice fight, but it's strictly B-levels on the way down fighting for a paper crown

[Ravens Fan]

Abraham has always been a second tier fighter and always will be. And the fact that Ring has him ranked number 1 just tells me that they also make also capable of making mistakes when they are ranking fighters.

[Hougigo]

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Couldn't be happier to announce @MartinMurrayBox v @ArthurAbraham Nov 21 in Hannover - massive night of boxing on @SkySports #andthenew

— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) October 7, 2015

[285Kid]

An upset by Murray and is Murray vs Groves next

[Hougigo]

An upset by Murray and is Murray vs Groves next

Probably, or insta unification with DeGale. I think Fielding/Smith gonna be moved towards Jack, think they both hold some kinda WBC belt

[FlatLine]

Great fight, can't wait for this one.

[mick1303]

If you beat the highest ranked fighter in the division, theres no reason why you can't be the highest ranked fighter. Its not necessarily a given, but in some cases theres a big argument for it. If Walters beat Uchiyama, i think nearly everyone would say Walters would be the new king of 130. I personally don't think a win over Abraham would entitle someone instantly to no.1 though, other fighters have better wins imo.

Broner was given the courtesy when he moved up and beat no.1 Demarco

Its strange how most of us on here praise lineal titles to high heaven, but seem to turn a blind eye to one of its major flaws, which is exactly this scenario.

It depends on who is ranking. If it is Boxrec, then they have a formula, similar to ELO. If you fight another boxer with exactly the same ranking as you, then you can win or lose exactly the same number of points. If you fight higher ranked boxer, you can win more than you can lose and vise versa. Points are added or subtracted to/from your ranking. This way whether or nor you exceed #1 depends on what was the gap before the fight. There is absolutely nothing subjective in this way of calculation. It is not the matter of "argument".

[Barcham]

I don't quite understand what your argument is.

Is your argument that if Murray beats Abraham he becomes the #1 ranked SMW? I don't get it. What are you trying to say here? First you are telling me obvious things like what belt Murray would win if he beats AA, and that he will enter the top 10 at SMW by beating AA. I go by The Ring mostly. AA is #1 ranked right now, though I think DeGale is the best SMW, followed by Jack. But I have no issue with AA as #1. Now what is your point? Can you get to it already?

My point is that RING ratings carry no more weight than WBO ratings, or WBC or IBO or IBF or even ESPN ratings. Anyone can take the one that agrees with their own feelings and use that as the standard. Why are the RING ratings more relevant to you than any other?

According to WBO, Abraham is the champion and defeating him would make Murray the champion. Why should that not take precedence over the RING ratings? The only ratings that really matter are who holds what title and who is the mandatory for that title. As far as I am concerned, no other rating matters.

[techliam]

It depends on who is ranking. If it is Boxrec, then they have a formula, similar to ELO. If you fight another boxer with exactly the same ranking as you, then you can win or lose exactly the same number of points. If you fight higher ranked boxer, you can win more than you can lose and vise versa. Points are added or subtracted to/from your ranking. This way whether or nor you exceed #1 depends on what was the gap before the fight. There is absolutely nothing subjective in this way of calculation. It is not the matter of "argument".

Objective boxing rankings just cant reflect reality

Boxrec rankings have been awful for a long long time.

Id refer to a more prestigious set of rankings such as TBRB when discussing things like this

[13777]

I'm going with Murray for the upset, Abraham is garbage these days.

Gotta KO the guy to win in Germany.

Robbed vs Sturm & Martinez, Murray deserves to win a belt.