This is a down right amazing breakdown

[Left Hook Tua]

More organizations??? WBA,WBC been around forever,,,he only for the IBF once and whe WBA 2 times..all the rest were WBC

you listed marciano. wba and wbc didn't even exist at the time.

ibf and wbo are new.

orgs started this super, regular, interim champ crap.


so when you count WORLD CHAMPS floyd beat you only count WBC, WBA champs?

[dirty fingers]

/thread.



Even fought a HW.

It's funny Deontay has gone down in competition after the Charlie Z fight.

[Beercules]

It's funny Deontay has gone down in competition after the Charlie Z fight.

He can't be fighting at such a high level forever bruh.

[Clegg]

Seems like most people would just give green K to the post or reply to it saying you agree. But as with anything pro-Floyd, Larry thinks it needs it's own thread.

Who cares if JCC had a lot of fights when he was young? Now he loses marks for not getting more wins before he hit 40-0, as if the ones he got afterwards mean less. Why was 40-0 picked instead of 49-0, did a few of those have big wins in their 41st fight? And of course Floyd faced more paper titlists than a heavyweight from the 1950s. 8 divisions, 1 belt per division, seems unrealistic for him to be judged primarily on that criteria, even though like most people I rate Floyd above him.

[bopbopbbe]

Floyd is obviously an ATG but paper stats dont mean ****. Guerrero, Ortiz, Gatti, Berto, etc etc all have good records and were "world champions". Not exactly murderers row especially at the time Floyd fought them. He had a cherry picked career period.

[Left Hook Tua]

Seems like most people would just give green K to the post or reply to it saying you agree. But as with anything pro-Floyd, Larry thinks it needs it's own thread.

Who cares if JCC had a lot of fights when he was young? Now he loses marks for not getting more wins before he hit 40-0, as if the ones he got afterwards mean less. Why was 40-0 picked instead of 49-0, did a few of those have big wins in their 41st fight? And of course Floyd faced more paper titlists than a heavyweight from the 1950s. 8 divisions, 1 belt per division, seems unrealistic for him to be judged primarily on that criteria, even though like most people I rate Floyd above him.

i remember when larry was complaining ppl were making too many floyd threads.

[LittleMacAttack]

The number of champions faced stat is misleading when comparing to fighters from the old days. There are more beltholders now than ever before, so it stands to reason that Floyd would have fought more than someone from the 40s. The first 40 fights thing is also misleading due to the fact that fighters in the past generally fought more often, therefore building up a large number of fights pretty early in their career. Still Floyd is the best of the current era, or perhaps we should start considering it the previous era. No need to compare stats from the past. Considering how much the game has changed it's largely meaningless.

[boxinghead530]

facts.............

Now what does that stat tell you? He's better than those guys? Even with those stats he still only hovers around at the 20th greatest of all time? You'd think with those stats he'd be a lock for greatest of all time. But what does that tell you that hes only scratching around 20th.

Those stats tell me his oppenents had some padded records and that he fought certain guys at a very calculated time.

[Showtime..]

"15 world champs" in the day of there being countless alphabets.

[IFightDirty]

I think judging guys by age instead of fights accomplishment wise is more meaningful. Chavez was an active mfer so his first 40 isn't that meaningful. Mayweather not so much so his first 40 are many greats & good fighters. And the rest are in between. A more honest comparison would be looking at what guys did by age 25 or 30 or their whole career or something like that.

I understand that one fighter was more active, and that usually means facing some subpar competition. That's true but Floyd (2 years) still beat out Chavez (4 1/2 yrs) in terms of time to win first title, regardless of activity.