Comments Thread For: Roach: Cotto is True Test For Golovkin, Not Lemieux

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I don't know what David's career will become or if he will upset GGG, or if GGG is that great where he will make anyone at 160 look bad but I do know he is a vastly improved and more experienced fighter from the Rubio fight. Not just Pacquiao many fighters took a loss or multiple losses very early their career and improved over the years after. Honest question if David was managed by haymon or better promoters do you think he would of been rushed into the ring with Rubio? Look at the ages and amount of fights of most of the haymon fighters right now before they face guys like rubio. That plays a part in you taking losses on your record

I guess what it boils down to with me is Ive seen David fight and I dont think he is very good and out of depth in this , Ive followed boxing for a very long time and Im at the point hype has no effect I dont care what other people think or say it doesnt sway me in the least , I watch them in the ring closely and my own judgement comes first , I will be very surprised if Lemieux can make a highly competitive fight , he might have moments most world class guys are capable of that with anyone , but its a 12 round fight and a few moments dont really count in the big picture .

[bigdunny1]

I got green K from checking fools like you constantly. Green K from Cotto fans, Green K from Pac fans, green K from GGG fans, green K from Mayweather fans, and thats all from correcting ignorant biches like you. See the word igno(rant), rant which is what your wannabe ash did, and you got checked and proven wrong, now your relegated to saying things like you stalking me.

Very simple solution take your L like a man and keep it moving, dont respond, and you wont get another word from me. But you can't stop responding because you feel like your man hood got taken from you, so you trying to get it back, hoping I wont respond.

Lol you know what, Ima take my W and walk into the sunset, so you can feel like a man again. You got owned, but you cant see it, because you been tossing GGG's salad so much in this forum that you cant tell what defeat taste like. Lmao, 1 son.

Damn you still going hahaha thats a lot of energy just for little oh me. Damn you obsessed. Got served after you stalked and quoted me you making a fool out yourself tell me again how you mad because I said it's going on 2 years instead if going on 1 year and 5 months. Go back to elementary school next time you try to tell someone get your facts straight.

I got you swinging from my nuts and writing book responses. Write another one please take a break from phuking your cotto poster and do it.

[bigdunny1]

I guess what it boils down to with me is Ive seen David fight and I dont think he is very good and out of depth in this , Ive followed boxing for a very long time and Im at the point hype has no effect I dont care what other people think or say it doesnt sway me in the least , I watch them in the ring closely and my own judgement comes first , I will be very surprised if Lemieux can make a highly competitive fight , he might have moments most world class guys are capable of that with anyone , but its a 12 round fight and a few moments dont really count in the big picture .

So have i and I've seen David fight a lot and he is much improved from the Rubio fight. I can't sleep on a fighter with his power who is only 26 getting better with each fight. Doesn't mean he will beat GGG but it's a good fight that no matter what I know it will be fire works. If you saying GGG has nothing left to prove at 160 and that's why David is a weak opponent I could entertain that even though I don't agree. But if he is staying at 160 not many better fights for him then this. However strong you think the division is David right now is one of the best middleweights. Unification fight with the 2 biggest punchers in the division.

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So have i and I've seen David fight a lot and he is much improved from the Rubio fight. I can't sleep on a fighter with his power who is only 26 getting better with each fight. Doesn't mean he will beat GGG but it's a good fight that no matter what I know it will be fire works. If you saying GGG has nothing left to prove at 160 and that's why David is a weak opponent I could entertain that even though I don't agree. But if he is staying at 160 not many better fights for him then this. However strong you think the division is David right now is one of the best middleweights. Unification fight with the 2 biggest punchers in the division.

Im saying he is weak opponent because thats what I see , nothing to do with GGG , I thinking David is B grade fighter and GGG is elite .

The MW division is not strong at the moment as far as boxing goes Id much rather see GGG challenge Ward at 168 , thats 2 elite fighters and I couldnt care less about the belts I know which fight is real and which is just a pick up fight , it has nothing to do with belts cleaning out a division or anything else for me its about the men in the ring and what they bring to the table .

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Cotto vs GGG for the WBC/IBF/WBA(SW) titles June 2016 at MSG next year. Book it!!! & WAR COTTO!!!

I'll believe it when I see it.

More likely, Cotto loses to Canelo, and Canelo then takes in 20 pound draining azz back to 154 where he doesnt have to fight people close to his size).

However, if Cotto wins, he takes his azz back to 154, vacates and says he was never a MW to begin with.

He'll claim he is doing it for his family. Maybe he is, they do not want to see him get smashed.

Show me a title holder thats not ranked , your point is mute Lemieux has beat nobody and if Cotto fights GGG it will be the best fighter Gennady has faced .

Thats all thats being said and Roach is right but it doesnt blow sunshine about your new hero so its lame , we know how this works in here .

PBC is free to air , they are doing a good job why are you bashing boxing thats free makes no sense .

Cotto got his belt by fighting the same quality opponet that GGG fights, and then kept it by fighting someone GGG already beat.

Instead of taking on the tougher challenge, Cotto fought a guy GGG already KO'd.

First im not angry, second i have not back tracked, in fact what i have done is shown how your view of the situation is nothing more then idiotic ranting. You are up and down this forum bashing Cotto and trying to talk up GGG, it's funny because yoi don't even realize that you're the fan boy. Any way your not going on 2 years until its close to 2 years, this is why your an idiot. No one says its going on 2 years when we havnt even passed the mid point of the year. It's facts stick to 'em or just admit you're a nut juggling, baby swallowing fan boy, and no one will bother trying to correct you with facts.

It really doesnt matter, but by the time Cotto will step into the ring with GGG, it will have been two years.

But are you really arguing that a year and a 1/2 is that different than two years.

The point is Cotto is playing duck duck goose with the Lineal MW title he never deserved anyways, and he skipped his mandatory, sure to get paid, but lets not pretend that he ever plans of fighting ggg.

When Ring magazine calls you the best MW, but you've never fought at MW, it shows how BS this politics are.

I think the fact people defend it is part of the problem.

He looks dumbfounded when asked about a GGG fight. Suddenly he is no longer MW champ.

Stop being emotional, no one but GGG fans ever claimed any of those guys were tests before the fight, except Murray. Look at the forum's take on Lemiuex now, go read, nobody outside of GGG fans are saying it's a good fight. Just sayng so you don't go crying again afer GGG wins and his critics still don't give a **** about his whack resume.

Yes, people say Cotto is too small, and he has weighed 155 and 153 respectively. He would be too small. Don't take what Roach says and turn into "See? EVERYONE think Cotto is going to win!".

BS, there are many non-GGG fans saying this is a good fight. Try most boxing commentators.

Do they believe GGG will win, yes. You always believe a guy will win.

Is this an exciting matchup, yes.

Bet, Cotto or Canelo wouldn't be fighting Lemieux either.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Im saying he is weak opponent because thats what I see , nothing to do with GGG , I thinking David is B grade fighter and GGG is elite .

The MW division is not strong at the moment as far as boxing goes Id much rather see GGG challenge Ward at 168 , thats 2 elite fighters and I couldnt care less about the belts I know which fight is real and which is just a pick up fight , it has nothing to do with belts cleaning out a division or anything else for me its about the men in the ring and what they bring to the table .

Problem is, Ward didnt even want the fight until Fall of 2016. He wanted both to agree to one tune-up, and then fight in fall.

GGG fights more than twice a year. Ward wants to shelf GGG until he stops doing tuneups.

Besides, if GGG is going to go up to fight the best SMW, who is actually a LHW, then it better be fore money and a belt, or at least one or the other.

Ward doesn't offer anything but an 15-20 pound advantage and a propensity to hold all night.

[Earl-Hickey]

the only "test" cotto would provide is the "how fast can you make a ***** quit" test

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Problem is, Ward didnt even want the fight until Fall of 2016. He wanted both to agree to one tune-up, and then fight in fall.

GGG fights more than twice a year. Ward wants to shelf GGG until he stops doing tuneups.

Besides, if GGG is going to go up to fight the best SMW, who is actually a LHW, then it better be fore money and a belt, or at least one or the other.

Ward doesn't offer anything but an 15-20 pound advantage and a propensity to hold all night.

I dont really care when Ward wanted the fight , point is he does and I would like to see it , I like seeing guys challenge themselves , we have seen Manny do it Floyd do it , Oscar , Cotto the list is a mile long , GGG is 33 and yet to challenge himself , they dont have to do it every fight but the way things are going GGG will be 40 and not had a single meaningful fight .

Cotto is proven I dont think anybody can rubbish him , he has been in with the best many times he is not a MW but he is there coming from 140 and will have a very tough night against Gennady , thats like GGG going up and fighting 175 and cruiserweight .

Thing is I like GGG and think he is great fighter but for some reason his fans dont want him to fight Ward , crazy sht , its the fight I would love to see and to go to 168 for Froch and not Ward is a duck and I dont know why they must be very wary of Ward .

[HeroBando]

I dont really care when Ward wanted the fight , point is he does and I would like to see it , I like seeing guys challenge themselves , we have seen Manny do it Floyd do it , Oscar , Cotto the list is a mile long , GGG is 33 and yet to challenge himself , they dont have to do it every fight but the way things are going GGG will be 40 and not had a single meaningful fight .

Cotto is proven I dont think anybody can rubbish him , he has been in with the best many times he is not a MW but he is there coming from 140 and will have a very tough night against Gennady , thats like GGG going up and fighting 175 and cruiserweight .

Thing is I like GGG and think he is great fighter but for some reason his fans dont want him to fight Ward , crazy sht , its the fight I would love to see and to go to 168 for Froch and not Ward is a duck and I dont know why they must be very wary of Ward .

Again, ******ed, theyll go up for a ppv fight vs an A sider, like Froch. It's also a challenge, bigger than any Ward has taken, to go up and face a p4per, then #1 active guy in that division, on his home turf in the UK. Hell Ward can't even make 168, yet a guy like Yunieski is too much risk for him as first fight at full 175

You know that Ward offer is a joke, right? Who the fcuk signs contracts 1 year ahead? Triple so if your guy is way more marketable, selling out Msg, has Canelo lined up, and other guy wants to lock him into 50/50 lol

[KnickTillDeaTh]

I'll believe it when I see it.

More likely, Cotto loses to Canelo, and Canelo then takes in 20 pound draining azz back to 154 where he doesnt have to fight people close to his size).

However, if Cotto wins, he takes his azz back to 154, vacates and says he was never a MW to begin with.

He'll claim he is doing it for his family. Maybe he is, they do not want to see him get smashed.




Cotto got his belt by fighting the same quality opponet that GGG fights, and then kept it by fighting someone GGG already beat.

Instead of taking on the tougher challenge, Cotto fought a guy GGG already KO'd.



It really doesnt matter, but by the time Cotto will step into the ring with GGG, it will have been two years.

But are you really arguing that a year and a 1/2 is that different than two years.

The point is Cotto is playing duck duck goose with the Lineal MW title he never deserved anyways, and he skipped his mandatory, sure to get paid, but lets not pretend that he ever plans of fighting ggg.

When Ring magazine calls you the best MW, but you've never fought at MW, it shows how BS this politics are.

I think the fact people defend it is part of the problem.

He looks dumbfounded when asked about a GGG fight. Suddenly he is no longer MW champ.




BS, there are many non-GGG fans saying this is a good fight. Try most boxing commentators.

Do they believe GGG will win, yes. You always believe a guy will win.

Is this an exciting matchup, yes.

Bet, Cotto or Canelo wouldn't be fighting Lemieux either.

Ring magazine is based on lineal descent, Martinez was the lineal champion and Cotto defeated him, so Cotto is now the ring magazine lineal middleweight champion, theres really nothing more to it. And if you want to judge a man on one interview thats fine for you, but I prefer to look at a body of work, Cotto has done more interviews where has made no qualms about where he stands on fighting GGG, he has not said he wouldn't fight him, what he has consistently said is that if the fight makes sense, he will fight GGG. So unlike most people on here I don't claim to know the future, Cotto could vacate and duck GGG, or he can fight him next. You don't know and I don't know, I just prefer to not make broad assumptions, especially when those assumptions are unsupported.