Comments Thread For: Chocolatito Eyes Breaking Mayweather/Marciano 49-0

[The plunger man]

When I was reading his record yesterday I was exactly thinking he could breat the record.....and yeah its true that it will probably go pretty much unnoticed in the normal world....but the boxing world will know....and correct me if I'm wrong if floyd did come back and beat 49 at least he could not quote himself as the only fighter to beat that record....because the boxing media will correct him if says he is......but it's quite possible if floyd does come back he will reach 49 before Roman gonazalez does...as he still needs 5 fights after October 19th....if floyd waits more than a year he won't come back... 2 reasons for that 1 is he will be 40 and the other if it's against pacquaio...there be stricter ped testing for sure and who knows what mayweather the last 5 years with USADA in the picture...

[-Kev-]

Marciano was a HW who fought the best of his generation. His 49-0 was against opponents in an unlimited weight class. And he was only 190 pounds! And he fought 15 rounds!!

Whilst being tremendous accomplishments, Mayweather's record does not stand up as a like-for-like comparison and neither will Chocolatito's. So please drop the comparison Boxing Scene.

Stop with the 15 round exaggerations.

Marciano fought in seven 15 round fights, the rest were 10 rounds, 8, 6 and 4 rounds. And neither of the 15 rounders went the distance. Also, most HW's were the same size. 190lbs was a common weight at HW.

[ShoulderRoll]

It's a worthy goal. I'll enjoy watching Chocolatito try to achieve it.

[sterilizer]

This "undefeated record" deal is ridiculous

I mean, who cares if one so-called "fighter" has a supposedly undefeated record, if a bunch of his fights were won by very questionable decisions?

I mean:

Vs. Castillo, 1st fight, most experts (non-American) agree that he lost the fight. In punch stats Floyd lost by a large margin. Also, Castillo was the aggressor and the current champion. Evidently, the judges picked the most marketable choice, most possibly by previous agreement (most likely a compensation was offered).

Vs. de La Hoya, even though according to Compubox De la Hoya supposedly lost by a long margin (but if you see the fight you will realize that Floyd missed just as much as De la Hoya did, but the latter threw way more punches), the aggressor BY FAR was De la Hoya, and he was also the champion. Yet again, since De la Hoya was about to retire, a "new star" was needed in American boxing, so marketing-wise, for the judges Floyd was the obvious choice to make, even though it was a split decision in the end. Maybe they agreed to do that previously, so it seemed like a very tight and fair decision.

Vs. Maidana, first meeting (and IMO in the 2nd as well), again, the aggressor BY FAR was Maidana. He was also the one who landed the hardest punches. And he was the only fighter admonished by the referee for his cheap shots, pushing, etc., but Floyd was the one who made him do it, by angering Marcos through super-excessive clinching, elbowing, pushing and other illegal tactics that were thoroughly ignored (as usual) by the referee.

So Floyd could actually have 3-4 losses already in his record. Also, if referees were fair and actually penalized excessive clinching, Floyd would have even more than four defeats, because his strategy relies very heavily on clinching, when he faces a heavy-pressure kind of opponent.

About Marciano, I am pretty sure that it happened the same: he maybe was given a few gifts regarding decisions by judges.

So to me, the real thing to take into account to consider whether a boxer is really a top 10 ATG, is his knockout record, I mean unquestionable knockouts. Those are THE ONLY victories that are undisputed, although even in that very case, Floyd's record is questionable as well, because his very last KO win was achieved by a sucker punch. Actually it was TWO cheap shots, when both the referee and Ortiz were not even looking at him and Ortiz didn't even know that the referee had already ordered them to resume the fight.

So if we do compare resumes, Marciano had a 49/43 record when he retired (fights, wins by KO and TKO), whereas Mayweather 's is 49/26

Now let's see the figures for 100% unquestionable KOs (I mean KOs not TKOs): Marciano was 49/23, whereas Floyd is 49/4 yes you read it right, only four "unquestionable" KO wins, one of those was the one vs. Ortiz!

Numbers don't lie. Mayweather may easily be awarded as the most boring, defensive and cowardly ATG champion of all time, but that's it. He can not be put even close to the REAL top 10 or top 20 ATG boxers for one simple reason: none of those was such a cowardly "fighter". Take ANY top 10 or top 20 ATG in any person's list and he will have a much better record KO-wise than Mayweather.

I didn't even check Chocolatito's KO record because he is far from achieving a 49/0 record at this point, and defeating "Gallito" Estrada sounds a real tough deal IMO. But I'm pretty sure that both his TKO and KO numbers are way better than Floyd's. ANY top boxer of ANY era has better KO stats than Mayweather, enough said.

[STREET CLEANER]

Chocolatito is the only one legit enough to retire with an undefeated record

[-Kev-]

I mean, who cares if one so-called "fighter" has a supposedly undefeated record, if a bunch of his fights were won by very questionable decisions?

I mean:

Vs. Castillo, 1st fight, most experts (non-American) agree that he lost the fight. In punch stats Floyd lost by a large margin. Also, Castillo was the aggressor and the current champion. Evidently, the judges picked the most marketable choice, most possibly by previous agreement (most likely a compensation was offered).

Vs. de La Hoya, even though according to Compubox De la Hoya supposedly lost by a long margin (but if you see the fight you will realize that Floyd missed just as much as De la Hoya did, but the latter threw way more punches), the aggressor BY FAR was De la Hoya, and he was also the champion. Yet again, since De la Hoya was about to retire, a "new star" was needed in American boxing, so marketing-wise, for the judges he was the obvious choice to make, even though it was a split decision in the end. Maybe they agreed to do that previously, so it seemed like a very tight and fair decision.

Vs. Maidana, first meeting (and IMO in the 2nd as well), again, the aggressor BY FAR was Maidana. He was also the one who landed the hardest punches. And he was the only fighter admonished by the referee for his cheap shots, pushing, etc., but Floyd was the one who made him do it, by angering Marcos through super-excessive clinching, elbowing, pushing and other illegal tactics that were thoroughly ignored (as usual) by the referee.

So Floyd could actually have 3-4 losses already in his record. Also, if referees were fair and actually penalized excessive clinching, Floyd would have even more than four defeats, because his strategy relies very heavily on clinching, when he faces a heavy-pressure kind of opponent.

About Marciano, I am pretty sure that it happened the same: he maybe was given a few gifts regarding decisions by judges.

So to me, the real thing to take into account to consider whether a boxer is really a top 10 ATG, is his knockout record, I mean unquestionable knockouts. Those are THE ONLY victories that are undisputed, although even in that very case, Floyd's record is questionable as well, because his very last KO win was achieved by a sucker punch. Actually it was TWO cheap shots, when both the referee and Ortiz were not even looking at him and Ortiz didn't even know that the referee was already ordered them to resume the fight.

So if do compare resumes, Marciano had a 49/43 record when he retired (fights, wins by KO), whereas Mayweather 's is 49/26

Now let's see the figures for 100% unquestionable KOs (I mean KOs not TKOs): Marciano was 49/23, Mayweather is 49/23 whereas Floyd is 49/4 yes you read it right, only four "unquestionable" KO wins, one of those was the one vs. Ortiz!

Numbers don't lie. Mayweather may easily be awarded as the most boring, defensive and cowardly ATG champion of all time, but that's it. He can not be put even close to the REAL top 10 or top 20 ATG boxers for one simple reason: none of those was such a cowardly "fighter". Take ANY top 10 or top 20 ATG in any person's list and he will have a much better record KO-wise than Mayweather.

I didn't even check Chocolatito's KO record because he is far from achieving a 49/0 record at this point, and defeating "Gallito" Estrada sounds a real tough deal IMO. But I'm pretty sure that both his TKO and KO numbers are way better than Floyd's. ANY top boxer of ANY era has better KO stats than Mayweather, enough said.

49(26), and 49(43) argument is flawed.

Mayweather did that through 5 weight classes, Marciano in 1 weight class. Floyd had to overcome much bigger men than he.

Mayweather vs Castillo: Every ATG has that fight where it close and some people claim they should have lost. Marciano probably has one of those himself. Like for example, looking through Marciano's record you could see in 1950 he fought a guy named Roland LaStarza in a 10 round fight that went the distance, the judges had it 5-5, 5-4, and 4-5. In the note it says that Marciano was only awarded the SD win because of the scoring system in NY at the time which allowed ref's to choose a winner as well. I tried looking for the fight on youtube but only their rematch shows up. It would be interesting if that fight was available though.

[mev1]

Neither one of you know boxing Marciano era was a joke bum of he month club his best wins were over 40 year old joe Louis and old jersey.Joe.walcott Marciano ledgernis a joke and any boxing historian will tell you that

All you have to do is watch the man fight. That God awful era was Hands down better than this era any day. Mayweather is good, but He cant beat all fighters in any weight in even this era. Marciano could and did in his.