Comments Thread For: Chocolatito Eyes Breaking Mayweather/Marciano 49-0

[285Kid]

I want the media to tell everybody that this is an American record

[SteveM]

This 49-0 debate is just a side show of the pound for pound argument. It is obviously entertaining but so many different opinions.

I don't have the time to do it but it should be easy to put a bit of math into it and get a more accurate result to avoid back and forth arguments that "Chavez' first 40 or so opponents were cab drivers", or that "Mayweather avoided the best".

Maths? How? Go to Boxrec and look up the records of the opponents and work out some kind of math quotient on that record. For example divide the winning record by the losing record would be the most basic and if the losing record is a "0" give that 0 a nominal value of 0.5.

Do this with all fighters in one country. Ah, countries .... they would have to have different values. Compiling 10-0 record in China might not have the same value as 10-0 in mexico or 10-0 in the USA.

This would need a huge database and just the data input would take thousands of hours - but it would put a lot more meaning into a record.

For example, yesterday, after Froch said that GGG wouldn't be in his PfP top 10 the shit hit the fan and everyone was debating whether Frochs resume was as good as Wards (obviously it is better then GGGs at this time) - so how good was it ?

When Froch beat Pascal, Pascal was at 21-0 - so his opponent value was 21 divided by 0.5 = 42

So - Froch-Pascal = 42 - but actually in a complete assessment Pascal would have a nominal Career score based on all his previous fights and this opponents track records) - that's why it is hundreds if not thousands of hours of work.

Pascal +42
Taylor(28-2) +14
Dirrell(18-0) +36
Kessler (42-2) boxer record 21 loss counts as -29
Not sure what to do with losses Maybe take a notional value like 50 and subtract the fighters record at 21 from 50 gives 29 - so this allows for losses against weak opposition to be a bigger negative than losses against elite opposition
Abraham(31-1) +31
Johnson (51-14) +3.7
Ward (24-0) - boxer value 48 - So 50 less 48 = 2 - this loss counts as - 2
Bute (30-0) +60
Mack (31-4) +7.8
Kessler(46-2) +23
Groves (19-0) +38
Groves (19-1) +19

So resume value for Froch during that famous "murderer's row" string of opponents using this moderated version would be 243.5 - now compare that to other fighters etc
Pain in the ass but more accurate than opinions

[Sugar Q]

This 49-0 debate is just a side show of the pound for pound argument. It is obviously entertaining but so many different opinions.

I don't have the time to do it but it should be easy to put a bit of math into it and get a more accurate result to avoid back and forth arguments that "Chavez' first 40 or so opponents were cab drivers", or that "Mayweather avoided the best".

Maths? How? Go to Boxrec and look up the records of the opponents and work out some kind of math quotient on that record. For example divide the winning record by the losing record would be the most basic and if the losing record is a "0" give that 0 a nominal value of 0.5.

Do this with all fighters in one country. Ah, countries .... they would have to have different values. Compiling 10-0 record in China might not have the same value as 10-0 in mexico or 10-0 in the USA.

This would need a huge database and just the data input would take thousands of hours - but it would put a lot more meaning into a record.

For example, yesterday, after Froch said that GGG wouldn't be in his PfP top 10 the shit hit the fan and everyone was debating whether Frochs resume was as good as Wards (obviously it is better then GGGs at this time) - so how good was it ?

When Froch beat Pascal, Pascal was at 21-0 - so his opponent value was 21 divided by 0.5 = 42

So - Froch-Pascal = 42 - but actually in a complete assessment Pascal would have a nominal Career score based on all his previous fights and this opponents track records) - that's why it is hundreds if not thousands of hours of work.

Pascal +42
Taylor(28-2) +14
Dirrell(18-0) +36
Kessler (42-2) boxer record 21 loss counts as -29
Not sure what to do with losses Maybe take a notional value like 50 and subtract the fighters record at 21 from 50 gives 29 - so this allows for losses against weak opposition to be a bigger negative than losses against elite opposition
Abraham(31-1) +31
Johnson (51-14) +3.7
Ward (24-0) - boxer value 48 - So 50 less 48 = 2 - this loss counts as - 2
Bute (30-0) +60
Mack (31-4) +7.8
Kessler(46-2) +23
Groves (19-0) +38
Groves (19-1) +19

So resume value for Froch during that famous "murderer's row" string of opponents using this moderated version would be 243.5 - now compare that to other fighters etc
Pain in the ass but more accurate than opinions

Here's a little break down for you. Can't hate on the facts:

Mayweather opponents @ 40-0 1038-181, 15 World Champions
first title @ 17-0, 5 division titles
Marciano opponents @ 40-0 841-416, 1 WC
first title @ 42-0
Chavez Sr opps @ 40-0 257-199, 0 WCs
first title @ 43-0
Ricardo Lopez opps @ 40-0 372-161, 5 WCs
first title @ 27-0
Ramon Gonzalez opps @ 40-0 563-212, 6 WCs
first title @ 20-0, 3 division titles
Joe Calzaghe opps @ 40-0 830-281, 3 WCs
first title @ 22-0

[MexicanMauler]

Didn't Chavez Sr go like 89-0 before his 1st loss?

[Johnwoo8686]

Here's a little break down for you. Can't hate on the facts:

Mayweather opponents @ 40-0 1038-181, 15 World Champions
first title @ 17-0, 5 division titles
Marciano opponents @ 40-0 841-416, 1 WC
first title @ 42-0
Chavez Sr opps @ 40-0 257-199, 0 WCs
first title @ 43-0
Ricardo Lopez opps @ 40-0 372-161, 5 WCs
first title @ 27-0
Ramon Gonzalez opps @ 40-0 563-212, 6 WCs
first title @ 20-0, 3 division titles
Joe Calzaghe opps @ 40-0 830-281, 3 WCs
first title @ 22-0

Floyd's critics will ignore all of this. They just ignore facts when it doesn't suit their argument.

[Larry the boss]

Didn't Chavez sr go undeafeted until fight 80 something? Why is 49 such a special number to reach?

he didnt retire unblemished

Marciano was a HW who fought the best of his generation. His 49-0 was against opponents in an unlimited weight class. And he was only 190 pounds! And he fought 15 rounds!!

Whilst being tremendous accomplishments, Mayweather's record does not stand up as a like-for-like comparison and neither will Chocolatito's. So please drop the comparison Boxing Scene.

Floyds comp was way better and he went thru 5 divisions to do it

49-0 is a Heavyweight record, and the significance is only for American boxers, its why they only mention Floyd plus you have to retired undefeated isn't Floyd the only American to tie Rocky? Didn't Larry Holmes lose his 49th fight

Chocolatito should be trying to out do guys in his weight class like Ricardo Finito Lopez 51 and 0

how is it an American only record?or just a heavyweight record?? name me someone who retire with more wins with no loses or draws

[Larry the boss]

I want the media to tell everybody that this is an American record

How is it just an american record?

[Larry the boss]

49-0 is no record. 87-0 like Chavez was. is a record. Staying in your comfort zone like Floyd is easy. Chavez also had an unbelievable amount of KOs was the aggressor all the time and was not hugging at all times. No comparison. Floyd ****** Boy Mayweather is a clown.

are you serious?? chavez's 87-0 was mostly against cab drivers in Mexico....tell me why in 49 fights floyd has faced more world champions

[Larry the boss]

It really isnt. Its just gets overrated because its part of the way Floyd marketed himself. Chavez Sr didnt suffer a loss until his 91st fight. That's 42 more fights than Floyd had before he saw a defeat.

Chavez actually lost his 12th fight via DQ

[Larry the boss]

Here's a little break down for you. Can't hate on the facts:

Mayweather opponents @ 40-0 1038-181, 15 World Champions
first title @ 17-0, 5 division titles
Marciano opponents @ 40-0 841-416, 1 WC
first title @ 42-0
Chavez Sr opps @ 40-0 257-199, 0 WCs
first title @ 43-0
Ricardo Lopez opps @ 40-0 372-161, 5 WCs
first title @ 27-0
Ramon Gonzalez opps @ 40-0 563-212, 6 WCs
first title @ 20-0, 3 division titles
Joe Calzaghe opps @ 40-0 830-281, 3 WCs
first title @ 22-0

facts,facts,facts