Better resume since 2013? Kovalev, Estrada, or R. Gonzalez?

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  • crold1
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    #31
    Originally posted by -Kev-
    Mayweather before he became #1:
    1998 - Lineal/WBC 130 champ Hernandez - Floyd cracked the top 10 P4P with this win
    Top 5 P4P/#1 ranked 130 Corrales
    Top 5 SFW Chavez
    Jose Luis Castillo for the vacant 135 Ring title
    Top 5 JWW Corley
    2005 - #1 ranked JWW/WBC champion Arturo Gatti - Floyd became #1 P4P

    Pacquiao before he became #1:
    2003 - Ring FW champion Marco Antonio Barrera - Pacquiao cracks the top 10 P4P
    Erik Morales 2x
    Solis
    Barrera
    Marquez
    Diaz
    2008 - De La Hoya - Pacquiao ends 2008 as #1 P4P

    Gonzalez wins to crack him in the top 10 rankings/get him #1:
    2014: Ring champ Yaegashi - September - got him top 10 P4P ranking
    2015: 38-29 super-journeyman Valentin Leon, 51-8 Edgar Sosa, Floyd's retirement - Got him #1 P4P

    1 year span, Gonzalez went from entering the top 10 P4P, to ranked as #1.

    Very sus.
    One thing you don't take into account is how much harder it is for lighter weight guys to get looks in a US publication. There were several people (like me when I was still on Ring's panel and Doug Fischer) pushing for Roman well before he cracked in. Some of that rapid rise was people going back to watch things like his earlier fights with Niida. Giampa resisted, and had final say, but there were several outlets (including this site) with him in the top ten well before Ring.

    An argument is there that Ring played catch up. Historically, rapid ascents have happened at Ring before. Roy was like nowhere to #3 BEFORE the Toney fight on very limited action against lower-mid top ten fighters. That was a case of trusting their eyes.

    That said, until Floyd vacates his titles, there is no reason to think he's really retired. Everyone else is still second fiddle until he does something more than talk about being done.
    Last edited by crold1; 09-18-2015, 10:06 PM.

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    • 1hourRun
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      #32
      Thanks crold1.

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      • Tom Cruise
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        #33
        Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
        Broner was a 3 division undefeated champ at one point.. With so many belts its pretty easy to do.. Obviously roman is better than broner, my point being is that roman hasn't beaten any true killers like other p4p guys.. Estrada win is solid and looks better with Estrada on a recent terror, but outside of that roman has beaten mostly washed up guys or paper champs.. His first title win was a legit big win as was Estrada, but after that it is just random no-hopers, faded names, and paper champs in the same vein as Lou del Valle, Kermit cintron, mickey bey, etc..
        Roman deserve top 10 p4p, just not top 3..
        Take faded names and paper champs out of Kovalevs resume and what are you left with?

        Not crapping on kovs resume as its very good but i dont think its better than RG's

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        • Dr. Morocco
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          #34
          Kovalev and it's not even close.

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