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Better resume since 2013? Kovalev, Estrada, or R. Gonzalez?
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Man go study the thread where Tom Cruise Eithered you -- Im done talking to a guy who brings up Broner to compare resumes with King Chocolatito!Broner was a 3 division undefeated champ at one point.. With so many belts its pretty easy to do.. Obviously roman is better than broner, my point being is that roman hasn't beaten any true killers like other p4p guys.. Estrada win is solid and looks better with Estrada on a recent terror, but outside of that roman has beaten mostly washed up guys or paper champs.. His first title win was a legit big win as was Estrada, but after that it is just random no-hopers, faded names, and paper champs in the same vein as Lou del Valle, Kermit cintron, mickey bey, etc..
Roman deserve top 10 p4p, just not top 3..Comment
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Lmao....
Nice rebuttal..
I wasn't comparing him to broner, just saying it's easy to be a multi division champ and not really fight anybody..
Roman's resume is littered with paper champs and washed up fighters. He has 2 or 3 major wins and deserves to be on p4p lists, just not top 3Comment
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Kovolev has the best resume, and has the 2 best wins any of them have...
Dominating and beating up hopkins and pascal is more impressive than anything roman or Estrada have done..
Roman by far is now the most overrated fighter in the world if you have him taking Floyd's place as p4p #1.. The dude hasn't had a major win since 2012, sorry but guys that are 21-6 and 39-7 don't count as major wins.. Let him beat viloria, Estrada 2 or inoui before proclaiming him the greatest fighter in the world.. Roman deserves his p4p status but doesn't have the marquee wins that top 3 p4p guys have. Roman is top 10 just not top 3. Tim Bradley has better opponents and wins over the past few years than roman
Estrada is a good fighter, but like a danny or khan or lucas, he is on the outside looking in at the p4p rankings.. The guy's career highlight is a loss to roman, and a win over a faded viloria.. The guy does have the legit wins and a rematch with roman is a big fight, but at this point Estrada is ranked somewhere between 11-20
at "faded Viloria". Viloria slaughtered 3 of the best lower weight fighters in Giovani Segura, Omar Nino Romero, and Hernan Marquez...back to back to back. Viloria was at his best ever and Estrada came and took his soul.
And anyone that isn't a blind sheep should score Estrada vs. Gonzalez for Estrada.
Estrada was on a tear with Gonzalez, Viloria, Melindo, Mepranum, and Segura, but since then he's been avoided by the other top 112 pounders. Gonzalez starts stuttering anytime Estrada is mentioned, Ioka doesn't even want his mandatory shot at Estrada's full W.B.A. title, and Viloria had plenty of opportunities for a rematch with Estrada including being his mandatory.
Estrada or Gonzalez over Kovalev is ******ed though.Comment
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I agree that viloria was on a roll, and maybe faded is too strong, I just think his best days were behind him.. It's like when cotto beat shane, great win, but not as good as when forrest beat shane.
at "faded Viloria". Viloria slaughtered 3 of the best lower weight fighters in Giovani Segura, Omar Nino Romero, and Hernan Marquez...back to back to back. Viloria was at his best ever and Estrada came and took his soul.
And anyone that isn't a blind sheep should score Estrada vs. Gonzalez for Estrada.
Estrada was on a tear with Gonzalez, Viloria, Melindo, Mepranum, and Segura, but since then he's been avoided by the other top 112 pounders. Gonzalez starts stuttering anytime Estrada is mentioned, Ioka doesn't even want his mandatory shot at Estrada's full W.B.A. title, and Viloria had plenty of opportunities for a rematch with Estrada including being his mandatory.
Estrada or Gonzalez over Kovalev is ******ed though.Comment
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It's not ALL about the resume. As I mentioned in my previous post Danny Garcia has one of the best resumes in the sport but no one is going to lose sleep at the fact that he's not ranked top 5 P4P. The reason is because while Garcia has beaten top guys, he also struggled mightily against the lower ranked guys. Gonzalez is so talented that there is a massive separation between him and whoever he faces, whether they are great fighters or just journeymen. He destroys them either way. His quality of boxing is at such a high level compared to the rest. Some of these guys with great resumes don't exactly show their quality as consistently.Comment
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That's why roman is considered p4p.. I just don't agree with him being top 1 or 2..It's not ALL about the resume. As I mentioned in my previous post Danny Garcia has one of the best resumes in the sport but no one is going to lose sleep at the fact that he's not ranked top 5 P4P. The reason is because while Garcia has beaten top guys, he also struggled mightily against the lower ranked guys. Gonzalez is so talented that there is a massive separation between him and whoever he faces, whether they are great fighters or just journeymen. He destroys them either way. His quality of boxing is at such a high level compared to the rest. Some of these guys with great resumes don't exactly show their quality as consistently.
Guys like wlad, Kovolev, ggg, rigo, Ward are just as skilled as roman, so when trying to rank them, you have to take into account their big wins.. Ward, Rigo, wlad, Kovolev, bradley all have bigger and better wins than guys like roman, ggg, crawford..Comment
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Anyone who has Gonzalez as p4p #1 is a boxing hipster.....his resume doesn't warrant that. His best win is a close decision over a green Estrada. Now that Estrada has experience in the world stage and beat Viloria when he was regaining P4P consideration, they need to fight each other to prove themselves as the best. I would consider the winner of that rematch as deserving of p4p #1, right now they should be lower top 10 at best. Talent pool is just too soft in the lowest weightclasses but they have distinguished themselves....remember when the same hipsters of boxing had Pongsaklek Wonkongjam as p4p and then he got beat by Naito and later beat some bums, got ranked p4p again and got destroyed by Jaro?
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Hopkins is an All Time Great, two division Ring champion, and as of right now is still ranked #2 LHW. Of course that win is better than anything those two have combined. Hell I thought Hopkins would beat Kovalev. Kovalev dominated him with ease.Comment
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he did say since 2013.
And going back to the TS, I definitely agree, Kovalev has the superior resume ,simply because of his wins over Hops and Pascal but it's not the only criteria for a p4p ranking. It's also about who would win the most if all weights were irrelevant and in that regard, Roman deserves a top 10 ranking.
However Kovalev should rank higher.Comment
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