The Standard of Defensive ATGs

[Philantro]

Paul Fujii was a champion who had all the belts at Light Welterweight in 1968. On December 12, 1968, he fought at home against the challenger, Nicolino Locche, who had great defensive skills. Take a look at this fight and study how Nicolino, even though he is showing great defensive skills, never stops attacking Fujii with devastating left hooks to the body and to the head.

Since Mayweather's offensive skills were rather average for an elite fighter, he should have used similar kind of defense/offense combinations as Nicolino did against top opposition if he had had the ambition to be considered amongst the best ATGs.



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[IronDanHamza]

I would say Floyd from 1997-2011 was far from average in the offense department.

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

floyd at 147 is average offensive but what is the point of this thread? he did it the way he did it.... i wold have loved if floyd kept his offensive side but he didnt and still won

[Philantro]

floyd at 147 is average offensive but what is the point of this thread? he did it the way he did it.... i wold have loved if floyd kept his offensive side but he didnt and still won

The point of this thread is according to the title of the thread, "The Standard of Defensive ATGs". Amateur Boxing is about collecting wins, and Sven Ottke clearly thought that professional boxing is also about collecting wins but few people agree with him.

And to be counted as an ATG you need to do much more than just collect wins. You don't become an ATG by outpointing your opponents for 7 rounds and then run during the rest of the fights. ATGs must follow the unwritten rules of how to behave to be considered ATGs. Some of these rules include sportsmanship. Fighters who cheat or take possession of unfair and unsportsmanlike advantages are for example never considered ATGs. This is because boxing is a sport. People who behave as if boxing is just business, will never become ATGs.

However, there are many other unwritten rules for defensive minded fighters, if they want to become ATGs. Some of these rules are related to risks. Fighters who avoid all risks are never considered ATGs. For example, a defensive fighter who just collects enough points to win every round, but never attacks above that in fear of counterpunches will never become an ATG.



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[joseph5620]

Paul Fujii was a champion who had all the belts at Light Welterweight in 1968. On December 12, 1968, he fought at home against the challenger, Nicolino Locche, who had great defensive skills. Take a look at this fight and study how Nicolino, even though he is showing great defensive skills, never stops attacking Fujii with devastating left hooks to the body and to the head.

Since Mayweather's offensive skills were rather average for an elite fighter, he should have used similar kind of defense/offense combinations as Nicolino did against top opposition if he had had the ambition to be considered amongst the best ATGs.



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Locche was not better on offense than Mayweather. Many say he wasn't much of an offensive fighter. So that destroys your whole point. Showing one fight and one video means nothing.

[Doctor_Tenma]

"Must follow unwritten rules"....

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[Bravado]

What was average about Floyd's offense?

[BennyST]

Mayweather's offence rather average? Are you high?



You're basing that ****ty view purely on watching a nearly 40 year old version of Floyd, then compare that to a young, peak Locche? Go watch Locche at the end of his career and you'll see an even more average offensive fighter.

Watch that video and see a prime Floyd's offensive skill, then compare the two.

[BennyST]

The point of this thread is according to the title of the thread, "The Standard of Defensive ATGs". Amateur Boxing is about collecting wins, and Sven Ottke clearly thought that professional boxing is also about collecting wins but few people agree with him.

And to be counted as an ATG you need to do much more than just collect wins. You don't become an ATG by outpointing your opponents for 7 rounds and then run during the rest of the fights. ATGs must follow the unwritten rules of how to behave to be considered ATGs. Some of these rules include sportsmanship. Fighters who cheat or take possession of unfair and unsportsmanlike advantages are for example never considered ATGs. This is because boxing is a sport. People who behave as if boxing is just business, will never become ATGs.

However, there are many other unwritten rules for defensive minded fighters, if they want to become ATGs. Some of these rules are related to risks. Fighters who avoid all risks are never considered ATGs. For example, a defensive fighter who just collects enough points to win every round, but never attacks above that in fear of counterpunches will never become an ATG.

What the hell are you talking about? None of this makes any sense and is certainly untrue. You're just looking at one fighter and putting these absurd, nonsensical rules onto him and him alone, while ignoring others with similar traits who do either similar, or even less in most cases offensively.

[Philantro]

I would say Floyd from 1997-2011 was far from average in the offense department.

Are you sure you want to include 2011? Floyd only had one fight that year which he won with a sucker-punch when Victor Ortiz was apologizing.


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