Beating Paul Smith earns you the number 2 spot on a P4P list...

[Dirk Diggler UK]

you're being disingenuous (or ignorant) if you mean to say that smith and rogriguez are equivalent to the likes of geale and murray. there exist levels in boxing other than "champion" and "bum". geale is a multiple former titlist and murray would be too if he hadn't been robbed twice. smith was a past-prime, domestic level fighter coming directly off the back of a decisive loss and rogriguez has never been worthy of fighting for a world title except as ward's tune-up. since 2012 golovkin has taken out almost as many top 10 ranked fighters as ward has in his entire career

Are any of them top level fighters? No....they are not.

Ward has proven his worth against top level fighters. Golovkin hasn't.....not four years ago, not now, not ever.

[Divine Hammer]

Edwin Rodriguez is probably better than almost all, if not all of those **** average fighters.

Golovkin's resume is utter garbage and he's never proved he can do it against a top level fighter. So why is he P4P?

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[NEETzsche]

Are any of them top level fighters? No....they are not.

Ward has proven his worth against top level fighters. Golovkin hasn't.....not four years ago, not now, not ever.

rankings always deteriorate with time for the reasons mentioned above - i.e. because you can't tell where a fighter is at if they're not fighting, or are only fighting guys significantly below their supposed level. in the last few years, golovkin has proven more in the ring than ward has

if rankings were based on former glories or on "eye test" perceptions of ability, they would be all over the place

i don't want to discredit ward, i just want him to get back in the ring and fight someone who is at least ranked. if he wants to stay at 168 lbs and wait for golovkin, then ramirez and chudinov would be fights i'd tune in for (there are others too but they're with pbc). if he wants to stay at 172 then perhaps he could entice gonzalez or pascal down

[SplitSecond]

Edwin Rodriguez is probably better than almost all, if not all of those **** average fighters.

Golovkin's resume is utter garbage and he's never proved he can do it against a top level fighter. So why is he P4P?

Rodriguez is nowhere near better than Geale or Murray. Unless you mean the eye test in head-to-head, which of course you're allowed your opinion.

If Ward is really still as good as he was 4 years ago, he should have no problem finding his way back up the list after making quick work of someone legit.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

rankings always deteriorate with time for the reasons mentioned above - i.e. because you can't tell where a fighter is at if they're not fighting, or are only fighting guys significantly below their supposed level. in the last few years, golovkin has proven more in the ring than ward has

if rankings were based on former glories or on "eye test" perceptions of ability, they would be all over the place

i don't want to discredit ward, i just want him to get back in the ring and fight someone who is at least ranked. if he wants to stay at 168 lbs and wait for golovkin, then ramirez and chudinov would be fights i'd tune in for (there are others too but they're with pbc). if he wants to stay at 172 then perhaps he could entice gonzalez or pascal down

Isn't that exactly what Golovkin's whole career has been? It's the "eye test" because he's simply been KOing absolute no hopers so how does anyone know what he'd be like against top level fighters?

Ward doesn't need the "eye test" because he's actually beaten top fighters and beaten them convincingly.

[SUBZER0ED]

Isn't that exactly what Golovkin's whole career has been? It's the "eye test" because he's simply been KOing absolute no hopers so how does anyone know what he'd be like against top level fighters?

Ward doesn't need the "eye test" because he's actually beaten top fighters and beaten them convincingly.

You're tripping, Dirk, plain & simple. You've been arguing adamantly that Andre Ward's deserving of the #2 present P4P, simply based on his past accomplishments. This despite his inactivity for nearly 2 years. You further go on to say that Golovkin is not worthy of recognition because you don't believe he has fought anyone that would warrant such. In fact, you don't believe that any fighter better deserves the #2 slot than Ward, despite them remaining active while Ward rehabilitated his injury & wasted time in court. Do you really think Andre is the same after his shoulder surgery and one fight against a bum, as he was 3-4 years ago? Do you not feel that he needs more fights to establish his position in boxing & adjust to his surgically repaired shoulder?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You're tripping, Dirk, plain & simple. You've been arguing adamantly that Andre Ward's deserving of the #2 present P4P, simply based on his past accomplishments. This despite his inactivity for nearly 2 years. You further go on to say that Golovkin is not worthy of recognition because you don't believe he has fought anyone that would warrant such. In fact, you don't believe that any fighter better deserves the #2 slot than Ward, despite them remaining active while Ward rehabilitated his injury & wasted time in court. Do you really think Andre is the same after his shoulder surgery and one fight against a bum, as he was 3-4 years ago? Do you not feel that he needs more fights to establish his position in boxing & adjust to his surgically repaired shoulder?

I base it on his skills and resume. Being off for a year because you're having promotional issues doesn't wipe out what you've accomplished.

I'm simple asking why Golovkin is so highly ranked. You're saying that Ward's accomplishments are in the past but when were Golovkin's accomplishments and what exactly were they?

[SUBZER0ED]

I base it on his skills and resume. Being off for a year because you're having promotional issues doesn't wipe out what you've accomplished.

I'm simple asking why Golovkin is so highly ranked. You're saying that Ward's accomplishments are in the past but when were Golovkin's accomplishments and what exactly were they?

Ward was out of the ring for 1 year, 7 months, not just 1 year. It doesn't matter why he was out, he was out, period. The world doesn't go on hold for him or anyone else. You know who Golovkin fought as I do, & you also know people are afraid to have their careers knocked down to square 1 if he KO's them. He has the highest KO ratio in his division. You act like his opponents were hobos picked from the skids. We can continue this debate after 1 year, which should give us time to see where these fighters are heading. I predict Golovkin will be even further along than Ward.

[Motofan]

Terrible list (for a host of reasons). I've never had Ward lower than #2 when he was active, but you can't rate a guy based on what he did years ago and what you think he is probably capable of doing again at some point potentially. And before the usual suspects jump in with "But what about GGG?!?!?!?!?!?!?" I don't think he should be on the list either. Suck a butt.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Ward was out of the ring for 1 year, 7 months, not just 1 year. It doesn't matter why he was out, he was out, period. The world doesn't go on hold for him or anyone else. You know who Golovkin fought as I do, & you also know people are afraid to have their careers knocked down to square 1 if he KO's them. He has the highest KO ratio in his division. You act like his opponents were hobos picked from the skids. We can continue this debate after 1 year, which should give us time to see where these fighters are heading. I predict Golovkin will be even further along than Ward.

Yeah I know who Golovkin fought - a bunch of no hopers. So why is he rated 4th in the world exactly?

Apparently Andre Ward's accomplishments from the past are erased. But Gennady Golovkin is justified P4P number 4 when the best wins in his entire career are Murray and Geale