Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter: Ward Should Unify, Stop Obsessing!

[hitking]

I got you and understand why you would think that with the cw.

I disagree with Lemieux. He's better than Paul Smith and Rodriguez, Ward's last two opponents in my opinion. Let's not forget 100x more exciting.

The greatest MWs in history went on to unify did they not? Most of those fights weren't even all that either.

Several of the ATG middleweight fought in eras where there weren't multiple belts to unify. And within the last 10-15yrs, most hardcore fight fans have become educated enough to realize that just because a guy has a belt doesn't mean he's a good fighter.

As for Ward, I'm not comparing resumes. If both never fought again, Ward's resumr dwarfs GGG's. And he's a younger guy that turned pro roughly the same time. GGG is the one that needs to justify the hype. Ward answers every question there is to be asked about GGG. And the favt is, GGG doesn't want it. And his fans support him for it. Its disgusting.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

So you agree Ward is clearly the obvious B-side, since the only reason it would ever be on PPV is because of Golovkin and the revenue/fans he brings, and not Ward.

Yet you'll happily advocate Ward wanting a 50-50 split at 168 with no concessions, despite being the B-side? Makes sense..

Golovkin-Ward would be on PPV because of the fight. It's a far bigger fight than Golovkin-Lemiuex. And that's because of the reputation of Andre Ward and the threat he poses to Golovkin.

HBO have taken a complete stab in the dark on this Golovkin-Lemiuex PPV to gauge Golovkin's popularity. Nobody knows who Lemiuex is outside of Canada.

[hitking]

So you agree Ward is clearly the obvious B-side, yet you'll happily advocate Ward wanting a 50-50 split at 168 with no concessions, despite being the B-side? Makes sense..

And GGG is clearly the B-side to the Cotto-Canelo winner. So when he refuses to bend over and be ****d in negotiations, its a duck. Because he's gonna have to bend over to get either in the ring.

[M Bison]

ward's merit has been proven.

Not just Ward. Remember HBO has used its programming to talk down the Ward/GGG fight. They have a vested interest in seeing GGG keep winning, especially after Nonito lost to Rigo.

We can agree coming to 168 for froch is safer than ward. the fact GGG was willing to do that for the money, while not going to 168 for Ward, suggests this as well.

Well now you are making yourself look incredibly biased if daring to be great can now wait.

I agree you don't jump up and come back-which is why going to 168 to fight chavez or froch shows that unification wasn't a priority and that his fans are just using that as cover.

Well what would you think If Ward was in the similar position?
You'd say the exact same things, Ward has only fought in one weight division like someone else here said Golovkin can't move up one weight division nor does it seem can Ward.
Can you admit both are to blame or will you lie and say its all on one man?

The fact is they gave Ward an offer and he turned it down and he's been upset because he knows that they don't view him with the same respect that they do with Froch and Chavez Jr that's fair enough he can be upset about that but he had the chance to shut Abel and GGG down and accept that fight instead he didn't do that he decided to reject it and constantly talk about it.

Canelo/Cotto
Andy Lee
Jacobs/Quillin

Should all be names ahead of Ward right now what's wrong with Ward waiting it out until GGG has done his work at the MW division?

[M Bison]

And GGG is clearly the B-side to the Cotto-Canelo winner. So when he refuses to bend over and be ****d in negotiations, its a duck. Because he's gonna have to bend over to get either in the ring.

Cotto/Canelo wont be able to make any ridiculous demand, the purse should definitely be in the range of
30/70
20/80
It depends who it is though but even with those percentages it would be massive payday so bending over to get paid several millions?
I'm sure he'll be upset.

[T18Z]

Golovkin-Ward would be on PPV because of the fight. It's a far bigger fight than Golovkin-Lemiuex. And that's because of the reputation of Andre Ward and the threat he poses to Golovkin.

HBO have taken a complete stab in the dark on this Golovkin-Lemiuex PPV to gauge Golovkin's popularity. Nobody knows who Lemiuex is outside of Canada.

The reuputation of Andre Ward? He's barley fought in close to 3 years and his opposition has been absolutely horrible. His reputation has dwindled along with whatever short list of fans he has left. I'm hearing the guy couldn't even get 100+ to a free autograph signing in his hometown, it's that bad.

He doesn't have a fan friendly style, I think we can agree on that. If any casual fans were to buy the fight, it would be soley for Golovkin, not Ward, whereas I'm 100% sure there are a fair amount of fans that see Lemiuex as an exciting opponent that will give them their moneys worth, which can't be said about Ward.

My point still stands, in what realm of reality is Ward in when he believes that he deserves a 50-50 split with zero concessions when he is the B-side in this imaginary PPV?

[T18Z]

And GGG is clearly the B-side to the Cotto-Canelo winner. So when he refuses to bend over and be ****d in negotiations, its a duck. Because he's gonna have to bend over to get either in the ring.

Golovkin will clearly allow both fighters a bigger split of the purse, that is a concession in itself. What is Ward offering to concede in? I'll wait.

[bojangles1987]

So you agree Ward is clearly the obvious B-side, yet you'll happily advocate Ward wanting a 50-50 split at 168 with no concessions, despite being the B-side? Makes sense..

I didn't mention anything about a split or A side or B side or anything like that.

I have no idea what the split would be. I know Ward makes more than Golovkin, so I doubt he takes much less than 50-50. And it should be at 168 because Golovkin was willing to move up to 168 for everyone else. It's only right he do so for the best fighter in the division. Weight is only an issue because Team Golovkin threw up a road block.

[texasboi15]

It would be PPV because GGG name-sake not because of Ward who would be clinging onto the hype and entertainment Golovkin has provided.

You sound fcking ******ed.

According to your dumb ass Froch vs GGG is a PPV but Ward (who beat Froch easily) vs GGG is not a PPV lol fckin hilarious!

You have just confirmed yourself as the ******est motherfcker on this site!

You would rather PAY to see GGG vs Froch than GGG vs Ward.

Like I said..fcking ******ed.

[DLX]

Golovkin-Ward would be on PPV because of the fight. It's a far bigger fight than Golovkin-Lemiuex. And that's because of the reputation of Andre Ward and the threat he poses to Golovkin.

HBO have taken a complete stab in the dark on this Golovkin-Lemiuex PPV to gauge Golovkin's popularity. Nobody knows who Lemiuex is outside of Canada.

First of all GGG-Lemiuex is a PPV fight because it HAS TO BE economically. To pay David the purse necessary to take this fight it had to be PPV. Meaning there had to be another stream of revenue other than gate. It's not a stab in the dark lol. It's business.

And you are right that Ward GGG would be PPV. And for the same reason. Because Ward will want a lot of money to fight GGG. It's not because he is a big name. No casual fans know who Andre Ward is. Casual fans are people who watch PPV with friends and the ocassional HBO fight, and Ward has been on premium cable once in 3 years.

And everyone needs to stop acting like Froch GGG, and GGG Ward is the same situation. GGG was willing to take the weight disadvantage and travel to his country because it's big money. With Ward it's not big money and he wants half... GGG makes more money (even with less of a split) and gets more fame by beating Froch. And Ward should be happy that fight never happening, because GGG would have then Trumped Ward's best win with a KO.