How bad does a prime Roy Jones beat lil Golovkin?

[joseph5620]

Not beating top fighters YET, doesn't mean you're not skilled enough to do so.

Before Floyd fought his debut, he was skilled enough to beat the champion, he hadn't fought anyone yet, but he was skilled enough to do it.

Not fighting better fighters YET isn't an indicator of your skill level.

Bernard didnt lose for a DECADE after he lost to Roy.

No, but it means you haven't proven it. Anything before actually doing it is speculation.

[spanishboxing]

I say he does him worse than he did James Toney.

I'm a big GGG fan. .but he won't beat a prime RJJ ..3G has a puncher chance l.. don't see him landing to many punches on JR..even while cutting the ring as well as he does. .

[Doctor_Tenma]

I'm a big GGG fan. .but he won't beat a prime RJJ ..3G has a puncher chance l.. don't see him landing to many punches on JR..even while cutting the ring as well as he does. .

Even if he were to cut off the ring it's like running into spikes, one thing we've now learned, or at least reassured ourselves of is that Golovkin isn't an inside fighter, he operates at the range in which Roy would kill him.

[W1LL]

Y'all musta forgot...

[baya]

someone posted that this fight would be 50/50

[robertzimmerman]

He wasn't. What's elusive about being an athletic freak? About fighting B/C/D level opposition? Roy lacked basic boxing fundamentals. He did amateurish things that an A Level fighter WILL take advantage of. He was not that great of a fighter. Americans love hype and so does the media.

I'm English.

It doesn't matter what you think about his fundamentals etc.

Before Tarver and Johnson knocked him out when he'd had 50 fights, at 35, how many times was he hit clean, badly hurt, and dropped?

When he was prime, he was extremely hard to hit clean. Yes, he had an unconventional defence. His defence was based on his great reflexes. But guys couldn't hit him and badly hurt him. He barely lost rounds in his prime.

How the hell is that not being elusive?

Also, he didn't just fight low level opposition. He fought a lot of top ten ranked guys, especially at LHW.

[ironmt]

A prime Jr destroys GGG. It would be like a professional boxer against a tough man contestant.

[robertzimmerman]

What A Level fighters did Roy fight? Hopkins? Guess what? Bernard was not an A Level fighter when Roy fought him. He was a prospect. And James Toney was arrogant and didn't train for Roy or else he would've KO'ed him. You see what Hopkin's did to Roy in the rematch when he was an A Level fighter? You see what JC did to him? You see what Tarver did to him? You see what GJ did to him? And Johnson wasn't even an A Level fighter. Roy lacked heart and toughness. On top of that, he couldn't take a punch. You morons don't know boxing in my eyes. One attribute does not beat a great fighter. Roy's speed would not keep SK or GGG off him. It wouldn't keep SRL or Hagler off of him. He would have to take leather to beat those guys. PERIOD. History says, he wouldn't be able to take that kind of leather.

And one more example. Remember how Danny green Ko'ed Roy. Hahaha!!!! Do you remember how Tarver went over to his home town and beat him down with fundamentals just a short time after???? The end!

Just stop.

Your posts are getting more and more embarrassing.

You obviously don't want an objective debate.

Toney would have knocked him out if he'd have trained? Sure.

You're mentioning fights against the likes of Calzaghe when he was 40? Why, what does that prove? How is that relevant to what we're discussing? Joe was a scavenger who would never have dared to fight Roy in his prime. When Roy was prime, he was struggling with Robin Reid and defending his precious belt from the WBO, who were an organisation who moved a guy up their rankings after he'd died.

You think Danny Green and Glen Johnson would have beaten Roy when he was prime? They'd have been lucky to win a round.

He had no heart? You're a joke.

Roy's speed would not have kept SRL and Hagler off of him? Really? How about the fact that along with that incredible speed, he would have been bigger, stronger, heavier, just as skilled, and he'd have possessed one punch knockout power?

Dumbass.

With regards to GGG and Kov, come back when they've beaten guys better than Geale, Murray, a 50 year old Hopkins and Pascal.

Man, you are clueless.

[robertzimmerman]

Virgil Hill was OLD as ever when Roy KO'ed him with that body shot. Do you think Roy would even fight "prime" Hill, who was an elite fighter? Hell no! HE wouldn't even fight Michael Nunn! Nunn would've kicked Roy's ass too! And of course he barely lost a round in his prime. He was a product of excellent match making. We do have a clue. You are a Fanboy like many others on here. Roy ain't walking through SK or GGG, man. Only an idiot thinks that. You fanboys are over the top and have gone too far on here. Roy and Floyd are not boxing gods!!!!!! SRL and Sweet Pea were!!!! Get the difference?

How ironic of you to call me a fanboy, when you are an irrational hater, pure and simple.

Virgil Hill was faded, yes. But he wasn't shot. He went and beat Tiozzo in a round just a few years later. If Hill was so weak, why didn't Dariusz M knock him out? Roy was the only guy whoever knocked him out, and he retired as a CW.

Why wouldn't Roy have fought a prime Hill? Why not? He fought Toney, Hopkins, Tarver and Calzaghe etc. So why not Hill?

He didn't want to fight Nunn at LHW, because he wanted to fight Evander at HW, and the Nunn fight didn't bring enough money in. When Evander turned him down and the Douglas fight fell through, that's when he ended up fighting Hill. And the Hill fight brought in twice the amount that a Nunn fight would have.

If Roy feared a faded Nunn, why did he try and fight Frankie Liles (who'd beaten Nunn) and why did he fight Harding, Tarver X3 and Calzaghe etc? Makes sense.

I've never said that Roy would have walked through GGG and Kov. But it's hilarious how you're criticising Roy and his resume, while at the same time you're bigging up GGG and Kov, who've hardly done anything as yet.

It's ridiculous.

You say Roy couldn't have beaten GGG or Kov because he was hyped, and didn't have any noteworthy wins.

HELLO!

GGG's best win is Martin Murray, and Kov's best win is a 50 year old Hopkins, who Roy beat with a fractured hand 22 years ago.

Ha!

Keep hating.

[robertzimmerman]

People talking about RJJ like he was invincible, the man only really started knocking people out when he was on the juice, and still his best two wins never came by knockout. GGG has taken everyones power till date without flinchin and you talk like he would all of a sudden get KOd by someone who himself had a dodgy jaw.

******ity of some people seriously.

Another ridiculous ironic post.

You're questioning people's ******ity, after writing the above?

He only started knocking people out when he was on the juice? And is that factual, or just your opinion?

So far GGG has taken everyone's power at MW?

Ha! Who's power has he taken, that was even comparable to what Roy would have brought to the table?