Max Kellerman on ESPN on Mayweather ABNORMALLY LOW T/E Ratio plus USADA vs. VADA

[ADP02]

of course people care hes most hated athlete in sports even the smallest things are going to be blown up like he committed a homicide thats why u got to take this stuff with a grain of salt until more comes out so far tho there really is nothing

If it was really nothing, we would not be having a sticky thread just for this topic and still there are plenty of other threads on this. In just a few days, there have been thousands of posts on this. It bumped NFL football yesterday as the bigger news story.

Floyd took a substance just prior to the fight. The amount was many times over the limit. The excuse given by Floyd as to why it was required was a joke. Why would Floyd need an IV when he says that he can make 147 easily and his team has even been quoted recently that Floyd is really a 140 fighter fighting WWs and JWWs yet he?

Both USADA and Floyd are going to be hit badly with this. Commissions is not too far behind if you ask me.

[jaded]

So the CIR is not as important as Max is stressing then? Because Jones levels were crazy low and if he uses what you stated above he could still pass a CIR.

What Max was stressing is that the su****iously low T/E ratio is a red flag and should have automatically triggered a CIR test...which USADA didn't do. This makes USADA look like they did't want to expose anything. He is saying they look guilty as hell and were bought and paid for. They were being paid 10 times as much money as WADA to do what is supposed to be the same thing.

The CIR is important...but if you use drugs that have been altered it may or may not work...but at least you do the testing based on what looks suspect as opposed to nothing. This will be the end of USADA...they have been exposed and lost all credibility.

Nobody thought anything would happen to Armstrong but it eventually caught up with him. This will be hard for Floyd to make go away.

[DeadLikeMe]

If it was really nothing, we would not be having a sticky thread just for this topic and still there are plenty of other threads on this. In just a few days, there have been thousands of posts on this. It bumped NFL football yesterday as the bigger news story.

Floyd took a substance just prior to the fight. The amount was many times over the limit. The excuse given by Floyd as to why it was required was a joke. Why would Floyd need an IV when he says that he can make 147 easily and his team has even been quoted recently that Floyd is really a 140 fighter fighting WWs and JWWs yet he?

Both USADA and Floyd are going to be hit badly with this. Commissions is not too far behind if you ask me.

Interest has already waned in this non-story. You guys gave it a good go

[BrometheusBob.]

What Max was stressing is that the su****iously low T/E ratio is a red flag and should have automatically triggered a CIR test...which USADA didn't do. This makes USADA look like they did't want to expose anything. He is saying they look guilty as hell and were bought and paid for. They were being paid 10 times as much money as WADA to do what is supposed to be the same thing.

The CIR is important...but if you use drugs that have been altered it may not work...but at least you do the testing based on what looks suspect as opposed to nothing. This will be the end of USADA...they have been exposed and lost all credibility.

Nobody thought anything would happen to Armstrong but it eventually caught up with him. This will be hard for Floyd to make go away.

True.. but to be fair Iole reported that the NSAC received CIR tests for May/Pac. That doesn't change anything about previous bouts that were not done that way, but thought I should point that out.

[BrometheusBob.]

Interest has already waned in this non-story. You guys gave it a good go

Good point. Drug test cover up not that big a deal.

[ADP02]

Interest has already waned in this non-story. You guys gave it a good go

If you believe that then the Floyd vs Berto threads are non-existent because they have, relatively speaking, not moved much in the last month!

[jaded]

True.. but to be fair Iole reported that the NSAC received CIR tests for May/Pac. That doesn't change anything about previous bouts that were not done that way, but thought I should point that out.

I don't think so...I think you're referring to this...

Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports explains:

Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum said all terms had been agreed upon when Mayweather demanded random Olympic-style blood and urine testing to scan for performance enhancing drugs. Arum said he recalls the date as being around Dec. 10, 2009, though he said he isn't certain.

That type of testing was not being done in boxing at the time and Arum said he, trainer Freddie Roach and Pacquiao were ignorant of what it entailed. After much back and forth, Pacquiao ultimately declined to participate in the testing.

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"Manny said there had to be a period of time before the fight where they will stop the testing. We negotiated that and we had an agreement on that and Mayweather walked away from it."

That part was well-documented. What slipped through the cracks to a degree was that Pacquiao and Mayweather were actually randomly tested by the Nevada State Athletic Commission during the negotiations.

But Keith Kizer, then the executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission, didn't give up hope. He ordered surprise urine tests on both men, which were taken on Dec. 30, 2009.

Both men passed the surprise tests, though they did not test blood or perform a carbon isotope ratio test on either man.

That was a false start to the what never came off in 2009. Kellerman was adamant that no CIR test were done when Mayweather's IV should have been a red flag for the 2015 fight.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/4/28...09-boxing-news

[animalfan10]

It seems boxing/fighting long term wrecks you T levels whether you have juiced or not...It's probably a combination of constant stress (training, fighting, being in the public spotlight 24/7) and damage taken to the head (Testosterone is produced in the adrenal cortex) and getting punched in the head for years and years can't help....Getting KO'ed probably hurts your hormonal production aswell....

Most Boxers/MMA fighters probably have above average natural testosterone levels originally (it's the drive that makes them want to beat up and compete with other man in combat), but after years and years of constant stress and damage to the body their T levels are constantly suppressed and eventually go down a huge amount....Stress destroys your T levels...

Same is probably true of NFL players....

The human body is not designed to fight continuously for years and years like boxers/mma fighters do...

[rocky_balboa23]

amazing how flo mos try to justify the T levels of floyd. hahahaha keep it up. we need a good laugh.

[jaded]

The test is actually to determine if there is synthetic testosterone or epitestosterone present in the samples, not to quantify the amount.

That test is to determine the ratio and yes it does quantify...