is floyd still #1 p4p?

[Ahmed_Ismail]

Golovkin & Kovalev both moved up from 140, they just did it in the amateurs where they were both very successful. They turned pro later. Mayweather didn't move up past age 30 either.

It's not a historical list, you want to keep Rigondeaux elevated for a fight he won 3 years ago, that doesn't reflect the sport today where Wlad, GGG and Kovalev are tearing it up.



Ward's not on any list, when he was in 2013 Golovkin tried to make the fight with him and Ward wasn't interested. Froch was on the list a couple of months ago, he was offered the fight too, and he turned it down.

GGG was at 140 when he was 17 and Floyd was 112 at the same age, does that mean he moved up from 112? Floyd won the first nationals at 106 when he was 15-16, just like Pacquiao, does this mean he moved up from 106? NO! GGG turned Pro at 24, Floyd first moved up to 135 at the same exact age! GGG was fighting at 165 in the olympics and instead of moving to 168 he moved down to 160, the 168 division had much better competition in 2010-2011 and I think he should've moved up and took part of the super 6, by that time he's already been a pro for 4-5 years!

Kovalev is another case because he already has better opposition at 175 than GGG has at 160, also it's more realistic for Ward to move up to fight Kovalev than to drain himself and move down.

[Brickyardigan]

Of course he is!

Did Pac Boy just admit that Floyd is #1 p4p? I'm not leaving the house for a week.

P.S #48 is still a scrub

[Weebler I]

GGG was at 140 when he was 17 and Floyd was 112 at the same age, does that mean he moved up from 112? Floyd won the first nationals at 106 when he was 15-16, just like Pacquiao, does this mean he moved up from 106? NO! GGG turned Pro at 24, Floyd first moved up to 135 at the same exact age! GGG was fighting at 165 in the olympics and instead of moving to 168 he moved down to 160, the 168 division had much better competition in 2010-2011 and I think he should've moved up and took part of the super 6, by that time he's already been a pro for 4-5 years!

Kovalev is another case because he already has better opposition at 175 than GGG has at 160, also it's more realistic for Ward to move up to fight Kovalev than to drain himself and move down.

You had to be invited to the Super 6, the European names that took part were well known.

You want Golovkin to move up, well he has offered to at least 5 times, all the fights were turned down.

He has offered to move down too, to fight your guy and again was rebuffed.

However, the original premise that you have to beat a PFP opponent to be on the PFP list is a nonsense. In a lot of cases it's just not possible.

[HanzGruber]

You had to be invited to the Super 6, the European names that took part were well known.

You want Golovkin to move up, well he has offered to at least 5 times, all the fights were turned down.

He has offered to move down too, to fight your guy and again was rebuffed.

However, the original premise that you have to beat a PFP opponent to be on the PFP list is a nonsense. In a lot of cases it's just not possible.

Who did you vote for?

[seReal Killer]

BEFORE YOU ANSWER, what does #1 p4p mean?
That with all else scaled equally, at the same weight, the #1 p4p wins 9 times outa 10 against lower ranked p4p fighters, correct?
So is floyd still the #1 p4p and can beat any fighter if they scaled their weight?

a lot of people argue saying "hes still #1 p4p, tell me who can beat him at 147 right now??"
but thats like saying golovkin is #1 p4p because, tell me, who can beat him at 160?

so... who is the #1 p4p right now?? kova? roman gonz? golovkin? mayweather? hmmmm?

not hating, i think hes definitely #1 at 147, just not p4p #1 anymore

No he isn't. I think its GGG imho.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

You had to be invited to the Super 6, the European names that took part were well known.

You want Golovkin to move up, well he has offered to at least 5 times, all the fights were turned down.

He has offered to move down too, to fight your guy and again was rebuffed.

However, the original premise that you have to beat a PFP opponent to be on the PFP list is a nonsense. In a lot of cases it's just not possible.

Who did he offer to move up to 168? he said he'd move up to 168 to fight Chavez, who's a bum or Froch, who retired, who else got offered a fight with GGG at 168 who's a legit challenger, GGG should've started campaigning at 168 long time ago and a fight between him and Ward would've already been made, but it's all good though, cleaning up a division is not a bad idea but I still believe that if anyone wants to be in the top 5 P4P u have to have beaten someone on the P4P list, even top 15 P4P. P4P fighters are well distributed over the weight classes, people consider Klitschko, Kovalev, Ward, GGG, Lara (personal opinion), Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Lomachenko, Rigo and Gonzalez to be the top P4P guys, it's not hard for any of them to move up or down to fight the other to be top 5 P4P, Ward can move up to fight Kovalev and GGG can move up to fight Ward or Lara can move up to fight GGG or Floyd can move up to fight GGG (although not realistic) and and Lomachenko can move up to become a champ at the weak 130 lbs division and maybe meet Walters there, Rigo can move up and fight Lomachenko or move down to fight Gonzalez at 118, these are all possibilities, it's not impossible, Floyd moved to 154 to fight Cotto at the age of 35 and despite him not even making 151 he still won, and again he moved up for Canelo at 36 and still won, he did these things while he has absolutely no business fighting at 154 since he never made the weight, I think GGG can comfortably make 168 and Ward can comfortably make 175 also Lomachenko can easily make 130.


GGG should've campaigned at 168 for a while then fought Ward then the winner should move up to fight Kovalev, that's what makes the most sense and the winner of this "tournament" should become the #1 P4P fighter in the world.

[Weebler I]

Who did you vote for?

I actually didn't notice the poll initially so I haven't voted, but Ahmed's in the midst of convincing me Golovkin is the go-to guy.

Who did he offer to move up to 168? he said he'd move up to 168 to fight Chavez, who's a bum or Froch, who retired, who else got offered a fight with GGG at 168 who's a legit challenger

In addition to Julio Cesar Chavez Jr and Carl Froch, there was Mikkel Kessler and a year or two back there was Edwin Rodriguez, Adonis Stevenson and Andre Ward*.

* "At our meeting with HBO they asked both of us whether or not we are ready to fight. Remember our answers? I said 'yes' and you said 'no'. Something about your shoulder or promoter. I am not interested in your reaons, I only heard your 'no' "

Loeffler co-signed this as legit, he has denied other false reports of Golovkin's comments.

GGG should've started campaigning at 168 long time ago and a fight between him and Ward would've already been made, but it's all good though, cleaning up a division is not a bad idea but I still believe that if anyone wants to be in the top 5 P4P u have to have beaten someone on the P4P list, even top 15 P4P. P4P fighters are well distributed over the weight classes, people consider Klitschko, Kovalev, Ward, GGG, Lara (personal opinion), Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Lomachenko, Rigo and Gonzalez to be the top P4P guys, it's not hard for any of them to move up or down to fight the other to be top 5 P4P, Ward can move up to fight Kovalev and GGG can move up to fight Ward or Lara can move up to fight GGG or Floyd can move up to fight GGG (although not realistic) and and Lomachenko can move up to become a champ at the weak 130 lbs division and maybe meet Walters there, Rigo can move up and fight Lomachenko or move down to fight Gonzalez at 118, these are all possibilities, it's not impossible, Floyd moved to 154 to fight Cotto at the age of 35 and despite him not even making 151 he still won, and again he moved up for Canelo at 36 and still won, he did these things while he has absolutely no business fighting at 154 since he never made the weight, I think GGG can comfortably make 168 and Ward can comfortably make 175 also Lomachenko can easily make 130.


GGG should've campaigned at 168 for a while then fought Ward then the winner should move up to fight Kovalev, that's what makes the most sense and the winner of this "tournament" should become the #1 P4P fighter in the world.

I'm aware fighters can move up and down, but again on its own moving up or down doesn't define greatness, it matters more who you fight and also when you fight them, some also factor in how you win. Broner's on course to be a 4 weight champion but nobody's calling him great so it's definitely not the be-all and end-all that you're saying, nor is beating another PFP list fighter an absolute must.

Can you write in paragraphs man, it's not easy to break down walls of text.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

I actually didn't notice the poll initially so I haven't voted, but Ahmed's in the midst of convincing me Golovkin is the go-to guy.



In addition to Julio Cesar Chavez Jr and Carl Froch, there was Mikkel Kessler and a year or two back there was Edwin Rodriguez, Adonis Stevenson and Andre Ward*.



Loeffler co-signed this as legit, he has denied other false reports of Golovkin's comments.



I'm aware fighters can move up and down, but again on its own moving up or down doesn't define greatness, it matters more who you fight and also when you fight them. Broner's on course to be a 4 weight champion but nobody's calling him great so it's definitely not the be-all and end-all that you're saying, nor is beating another PFP list fighter an absolute must.

Can you write in paragraphs man, it's not easy to break down walls of text.

My bad with the paragraphs, Broner is not in the conversation cuz he was never a lineal champion, he never fought a P4P fighter his whole career.

He lost to Maidana who was an underdog and he lost to Porter after he had all kinds of advantages in his favor from the weight to the referee to the promotion to the purse split, and despite all that he still gave an embarrassing performance and lost, he literally fought like a scared fighter till the last round, no boxing no movement no offense, nothing at all.

I'm not saying fighters MUST move up for the sake of moving up, I said if there are no legit challengers in your weight and there's a P4P guy in the next weight class you should move up and fight him to get to the top 5 maybe even top 3 P4P, especially if never moved up in weight before, plus GGG's biggest payday after the winner of Cotto Canelo is Ward.

Floyd and Manny moved up all the weight classes to get better challenges and they were chasing the cash cow of the business at the time who was Oscar Dela Hoya.

Floyd agreed to fight him at 154 even though he had just moved up to 147 a bit more than a year earlier and he knew he would be at a significant disadvantage fighting a guy like Dela Hoya at a new weight, bigger pillow gloves, smaller ring, 80-20 purse split and in Dela Hoya's home in Vegas, but he still chased him through the weight classes from 135 all the way up to 154 and agreed to all terms to get that fight, we're yet to see any of the top guys of today do anything like this, I don't see Lomachenko trying to get a fight with Terence Crawford or Crawford trying to get a fight with GGG, like I said the bar is set too high.

[Weebler I]

My bad with the paragraphs, Broner is not in the conversation cuz he was never a lineal champion, he never fought a P4P fighter his whole career.

He lost to Maidana who was an underdog and he lost to Porter after he had all kinds of advantages in his favor from the weight to the referee to the promotion to the purse split, and despite all that he still gave an embarrassing performance and lost, he literally fought like a scared fighter till the last round, no boxing no movement no offense, nothing at all.

I'm not saying fighters MUST move up for the sake of moving up, I said if there are no legit challengers in your weight and there's a P4P guy in the next weight class you should move up and fight him to get to the top 5 maybe even top 3 P4P, especially if never moved up in weight before, plus GGG's biggest payday after the winner of Cotto Canelo is Ward.

Floyd and Manny moved up all the weight classes to get better challenges and they were chasing the cash cow of the business at the time who was Oscar Dela Hoya.

Floyd agreed to fight him at 154 even though he had just moved up to 147 a bit more than a year earlier and he knew he would be at a significant disadvantage fighting a guy like Dela Hoya at a new weight, bigger pillow gloves, smaller ring, 80-20 purse split and in Dela Hoya's home in Vegas, but he still chased him through the weight classes from 135 all the way up to 154 and agreed to all terms to get that fight, we're yet to see any of the top guys of today do anything like this, I don't see Lomachenko trying to get a fight with Terence Crawford or Crawford trying to get a fight with GGG, like I said the bar is set too high.

I get your arguments, I agree to some extent but what I would say is wins from many years ago can't dictate the make-up of a PFP list today.

If you have two guys out killing it, fighting 4 times per year against all-comers in the division, there's a good case for that being reflected in present-day a PFP list ahead of those whose best work was a good number of years in the past.