the man the myth the legend...Paul Williams at 147

[therealpugilist]

he koed im in 2 rounds in the rematch , didn't he?

Who won the first fight


He had no mechanics.... At least not top shelf

Physicality can take you so far

[puga]

Who won the first fight


He had no mechanics.... At least not top shelf

Physicality can take you so far

many thought Castillo and maidana beat Floyd too the first time around, I guess the rematch doesn't count

[therealpugilist]

many thought Castillo and maidana beat Floyd too the first time around, I guess the rematch doesn't count

Castillo is a higher calibre fighter than Paul williams...better schooled, more skills better resume... Actually was a WORLD champion not trinket holder

Did you just play your spade or joker


What else can you say now...odlh doe lol

Bro jlc was a 50/50 fight no robbery

Maidana won if you can't score a fight... Must be related to that Ross lady


Doesn't change the fact he lost to B class quintana


The only man alive who can make a duck a cherrypick....one money mayweather

[therealpugilist]

many thought Castillo and maidana beat Floyd too the first time around, I guess the rematch doesn't count

Sad little man...they for sure did better than PAC doe...damn Floyd almost 40 doe

[ADP02]

Let's be real...I hope you have your own brain, I have mine...ring magazine, ko mag n these websites aren't the end all be all ..watch the fighters fight


Broner wasn't p4p material

GGG isn't p4p material

Williams was never P4p material

Guerrero wasn't

Canelo wasn't

Vernon Forrest wasn't

How the hell was Hopkins ever p4p #1 in anyone's eyes after beating Tito when Roy kicked his ass and ass across 3 weights up til he got the 4th in 03...Floyd had 2 lineal titles back then 11 total defenses while Hopkins who held on to a trinket from 95...pbf beat better overall comp n Roy did.... One big win isn't enough


P4p is opinion based....IMO Williams was good not p4p...his resume is OK

Beating a past prime winky weight n barely getting the nod over Martinez is p4p material? Was he "p4p" for even a year

So now a Floyd fan is saying that P4P is meaningless? Thanks for the laugh. Floyd and his fans always bring it up when it suits them. Perfect example is when Floyd fought someone nearly 3 divisions from WW, Juan Marquez.
".... but Marquez is P4P #2"

Same goes with your point on "how long was he P4P". Well, Baldomir was a flash in the pan and YOU and other Floyd fans bring up his name and say that he was "lineal champ". Well, we all know that that is the real laugh but YOU bring it up!!!

Same goes for ranking and YOU bring that up every time! So I guess rankings, P4P, titles, lineal champs are to be brought up only when it puts a "good perspective" on FLoyd .....

As for using your brain comment, now, everyone including some FLoyd fans have said that Williams was being avoided but you go on denying it. Everyone knew that Williams would give Floyd a tough fight. Most people would have wanted to see that over other fights that Floyd did fight!!! Baldomir or Williams? Guerrero or Williams? Marquez or Williams? Berto 2015 or Williams? That is IF you are using your brain!!!

Think about it. Why are you even bringing this topic up? Its because this is one of several that Floyd should have taken and us fans wanted to see over who Floyd eventually fought.

Like I said, there were several years where FLoyd was being called out by Martinez and Williams but Floyd avoided them. Yet Floyd did fight others at 154 and in Williams case, Floyd fought plenty of fighters with sub-par performances at WW but it was good enough for FLoyd. Why? Because Floyd knew that relatively speaking, his precious "0" was not threatened.

[DreamerUSA]

Castillo is a higher calibre fighter than Paul williams...better schooled, more skills better resume... Actually was a WORLD champion not trinket holder

Did you just play your spade or joker


What else can you say now...odlh doe lol

Bro jlc was a 50/50 fight no robbery

Maidana won if you can't score a fight... Must be related to that Ross lady


Doesn't change the fact he lost to B class quintana


The only man alive who can make a duck a cherrypick....one money mayweather

I'll give you Castillo had the better resume, no doubt. That said. He was'nt the more skilled fighter by any stretch of the imagination. Paul had holes in his game, but he was an A level fighter. Castillo on his best nights was a B+ at best and that is being generous. He was just one of those guys that managed to get more out of what he had than most could, kind of like a Froch.

[therealpugilist]

I'll give you Castillo had the better resume, no doubt. That said. He was'nt the more skilled fighter by any stretch of the imagination. Paul had holes in his game, but he was an A level fighter. Castillo on his best nights was a B+ at best and that is being generous. He was just one of those guys that managed to get more out of what he had than most could, kind of like a Froch.

Castillo was better than Williams....what did Williams do better? Be tall and long

How is Williams A class and Castillo is B+ even though he had a better resume and more skills


Actually watch a fight besides corrales vs Castillo in his catalog

Castillo was great at no one thing but was good @ everything and was consistent

Always fought with the right game plan, knew how to cut off the ring and had success with elite boxers like casamayor, Stevie Johnston n pbf...he was never befuddled on the outside...he wasn't outbox in his prime except for pbf

Castillo had a better jab, body shots, defense and could adjust box or war
....Williams wasn't very versatile

[Eff Pandas]

Lol. Patience. If you had a Mexican fighter that threw 1000 punches per fight and beat Margarito he would need a week to recharge after the massive ****riding. I can't believe dudes are this in denial. Only fighters like Williams and Lara have to play by the rules and go above and beyond with 0 margin of error.

I said race & nationality can play a part in fights being made or not made sometimes. I also said Williams wasn't gonna outwhite Ricky Hatton if he was born in Rhode Island & wore LL Bean 24/7 or even if he was Mexican. Hatton was the better fight at the time. Hatton was the more proven fighter at the time. Historical Hatton will be seen as a better fighter. Thats the reality. Who's really in denial here.

Meanwhile, Ortiz and Guerrero get passes and elevated immediately after one big win. I wonder why?

"It's not about nationality. Guerrero is a 6 time world champion in 4 different weight classes".lol.

Thing is those guys got the fight cuz there wasn't anyone around at the time who was the clear choice. So sure their nationality helped I'm sure cuz Mexicans watch boxing & buy PPV. I think Maidana is in the same boat, but he isn't Mexican so doesn't fit with your agenda. You'd be better served by bringing up Berto as an opponent as thats easily the most random opponent Mayweather has faced since becoming Mayweather & I'd even agree Paul Williams woulda made more sense back than then Berto does now, but again not Mexican either.

[DreamerUSA]

Castillo was better than Williams....what did Williams do better? Be tall and long

How is Williams A class and Castillo is B+ even though he had a better resume and more skills


Actually watch a fight besides corrales vs Castillo in his catalog

Castillo was great at no one thing but was good @ everything and was consistent

Always fought with the right game plan, knew how to cut off the ring and had success with elite boxers like casamayor, Stevie Johnston n pbf...he was never befuddled on the outside...he wasn't outbox in his prime except for pbf

Castillo had a better jab, body shots, defense and could adjust box or war
....Williams wasn't very versatile

A few things. I've seen many of his fights and his defense was sub par at best. He had been stopped four times before he ever fought Castillo, not a sign of great defense. The guy was a pressure fighter that cut the ring off very well, did good body work, and had good power. That is why he had success against the outboxers. His style was pretty much the bane of an outboxers existence.

He did better body work, cut the ring off better and maybe had a bit more power, but outside of that just no. Talking like he could box and adjust in the ring and that he had good defense is just some revisionist nonsense. He was outstanding at what he did, but he got his ass handed to him way to many times against lesser opponents to act like he is the fighter you are trying to describe.

[therealpugilist]

A few things. I've seen many of his fights and his defense was sub par at best. He had been stopped four times before he ever fought Castillo, not a sign of great defense. The guy was a pressure fighter that cut the ring off very well, did good body work, and had good power. That is why he had success against the outboxers. His style was pretty much the bane of an outboxers existence.

He did better body work, cut the ring off better and maybe had a bit more power, but outside of that just no. Talking like he could box and adjust in the ring and that he had good defense is just some revisionist nonsense. He was outstanding at what he did, but he got his ass handed to him way to many times against lesser opponents to act like he is the fighter you are trying to describe.

Lots of good to great fighters started off rocky early on and found their stride mid career...I never said he had a great defense...I said he had a good defense and it was better than Williams at the world class level


His prime was at lightweight and those early loses were to 2 fighters that held major titles in their career and were far more experienced than he was at that point in his career....Javier Jauregui was a 40 fight vet and Cesar Soto was a future title holder and got the wbc at feathweight in 99...fought his first title challenge in 1991....JLC turned pro in 1990....those are no lesser opponents....both these guys also had a better resume than Williams does too....Julio Alvarez was a fellow prospect like Castillo in the late 90s....were you even following boxing then????




a few of those early tko's were based off cuts....he had a lot of scar tissue on his eye brows

If he couldn't adjust he would have never come back after being behind vs casamayor in a close fight


Williams didn't even use his length and reach.....he was a volume puncher....what world class guy did he ever outbox????