Originally posted by Red Cyclone
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Why don't any boxers use this kind of stance anymore?
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You know guys.... a little knowledge goes a long way.
Fighting with smaller gloves means more of a direct connection when hitting. The foward lead punch was done from that stance without turning the hand over, a little piston action to the chin usually and it was often a ko punch. When you introduce larger gloves you break this connection and need to square up more, turn the arm over (which is how this punch became the jab) and that is why this stance change.
this stance is the most biomechanically correct way to hit, but one cannot transfer the blow with larger gloves. Also this stance allows many more variations in how to defend and attack...James Figg used a fencing vocabulary to teach boxing, orginally one could retreat, lunge, etc. In this stance one can very quickly come back foot to front, close to grips, and avoid blows with footwork.
When boxing developed its own vocabulary guys started to change stances to reflect the specific concerns of punching. Still, this was a good method and allows one short crisp punching and the ******* use of footwork.
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You can still use that stance.
Boxers of that era fought more on the inside/in the clinches.
Nowadays referees think working inside or with one arm free from the clinch is something that shouldn't happen. It's very weird and idiotic
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Originally posted by kafkod View PostDid they really use that stance for fighting back then, or just while posing for photos?
Here's Philadelphia Jack O'Brian. Is he really demonstrating the 1910 version of the philly shell?
You will find many pics of Johnson in this pose as he goes in to attack and again it can be reduced to the principle: If I want to hit you with both hands, both hands should be foward from the shoulder line.
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