Lucas Matthysse: Floyd Mayweather was promised to me and taken away!

[Mikel 45]

[QUOTE=The Big Dunn;15946824]You were being groomed for Floyd, then Danny beat your ass clean. Next.[/QUOTE

Beat his ass clean? I wouldn't go that far.

if a rematch happens garcia is getting beat.

[The Big Dunn]

the difference is, you're impressed with those wins, where I, on the other hand, thought little of Guerrero's victory over Berto, or Canleo's over Mosley and Trout, or Cotto's over Margarito and so on and so forth. You're putting too much value on the W, as opposed to all the other factors...so we agree to disagree. It's like I said in the opening post, Lucas coming off a loss>Ortiz/Guerrero at any point.

I wasn't necessarily impressed, I just pointed out they won, which is factual. I'm not over valuing those wins, I am saying those wins hold more value than LUcas losing.

What other factors are more important than winning? Power?

Sorry but Lucas isn't better than them and hasn't accomplished more than those men have in their careers. I get you like Lucas, but just because he has power he still lost to Danny after resetting his career after losing to Zab.

If he was tha good, he'd have beaten Danny or Zab, arguably the 2 best opponents he's faced.

[The Big Dunn]

[QUOTE=Mikel 45;15947100]

You were being groomed for Floyd, then Danny beat your ass clean. Next.[/QUOTE

Beat his ass clean? I wouldn't go that far.

if a rematch happens garcia is getting beat.

HUH? there was no question who won the Danny/lucas fight. it was a clean decision, no controversy. If they fight again, Lucas will lose again because he isn't as good as Danny.

[SCEN3RY]

This sorta **** is always correct "in theory" by certain types of Mayweather (anti)fans, but the reality is everyone Mayweather fought without fail ****** or lost for some other reason then being 2nd to Mayweather by Sunday morning in the minds of these same fans & Matthysse would have to.

when you're so quick to come to floyd's defense, it's natural to not understand statements in their overall context. On a [much] further note (cause I won't re-explain myself), before Lucas lost to Garcia, I predicted Floyd would beat Lucas and that ultimately Matthysse's power wouldn't be the same at welter.

[Mikel 45]

[QUOTE=The Big Dunn;15947116]

HUH? there was no question who won the Danny/lucas fight. it was a clean decision, no controversy. If they fight again, Lucas will lose again because he isn't as good as Danny.

Danny won, but it was competitive. I don't wanna make excuses about the eye, because it's been done to death, but I wanna see that rematch. I think lucas beats him this time.

See how looks again postol, he is someone else who I also think would beat Danny.

Danny hasn't looked good since lucas, and I like him. Got nothing against garcia.

[SalimShady1212]

I wasn't necessarily impressed, I just pointed out they won, which is factual. I'm not over valuing those wins, I am saying those wins hold more value than LUcas losing.

What other factors are more important than winning? Power?

Sorry but Lucas isn't better than them and hasn't accomplished more than those men have in their careers. I get you like Lucas, but just because he has power he still lost to Danny after resetting his career after losing to Zab.

If he was tha good, he'd have beaten Danny or Zab, arguably the 2 best opponents he's faced.

Lucas is better than Ortiz, Guerrero or Berto. I'm sorry but any arguement otherwise is laughable. Guerrero is a blown up featherweight who lacks pop at '40 or 147. Ortiz is a quitter who gets his ass beat when the going gets tough. And Berto is just funny.

[SCEN3RY]

I wasn't necessarily impressed, I just pointed out they won, which is factual. I'm not over valuing those wins, I am saying those wins hold more value than LUcas losing.

What other factors are more important than winning? Power?

Sorry but Lucas isn't better than them and hasn't accomplished more than those men have in their careers. I get you like Lucas, but just because he has power he still lost to Danny after resetting his career after losing to Zab.

If he was tha good, he'd have beaten Danny or Zab, arguably the 2 best opponents he's faced.

I was referring to the factors leading to those wins (like a one eyed Margarito) as opposed to Lucas losing to a highly touted and impressive Danny Garcia at the time.

[The Big Dunn]

Lucas is better than Ortiz, Guerrero or Berto. I'm sorry but any arguement otherwise is laughable. Guerrero is a blown up featherweight who lacks pop at '40 or 147. Ortiz is a quitter who gets his ass beat when the going gets tough. And Berto is just funny.

You are allowed to have whatever opinion you wish. while your points are fair, The fact is Lucas has not accomplished as much as these men have.

AT some point, better needs to be determined subjectively. Lucas is the epitome of an NSB over rated power fighter that was never as good as NSB made him out to be.

I was referring to the factors leading to those wins (like a one eyed Margarito) as opposed to Lucas losing to a highly touted and impressive Danny Garcia at the time.

Lucas was the favorite, not Danny. Danny clearly beat him. That was a bad loss for Lucas whether you wan t to admit it or not.

[The Big Dunn]

The big Dunn doesn't like Matthysse.

With phrases like beat his ass clean in a close fight that would have been reversed if not for the bogus kd. Everyone talks about the eye but ignored that.

And the eye. Let's ignore Matthysse was up 4-2 after 6 and pretend like Garcia adjusted and Matthysse didn't lose vision in one eye. He just got the left hook going doe.

The "...doesn't like him" deflection doesn't work dude. I didn't say or imply he dominated him like Floyd did Manny or Canelo. Danny won the fight clearly, even if it was close.

Had Lucas had better defense, he may have blocked, parried or avoided the punch that swelled his eye.

Sorry buddy, he just wasn't good enough to beat Danny.

[IronDanHamza]

It's not like Floyd hasn't fought anybody coming off losses.

Is this sarcasm?

Floyd hasnt fought anyone coming off a loss since Zab Judah in 2006. Almost a decade.

Other than Maidana 2 which was a loss to Floyd himself.