Comments Thread For: Team Beterbiev's Response To Kovalev's Promoter

[bigdunny1]

Floyd v Manny? WIlder v Stivernne? His 2 biggest clients fought non Haymon fighters this year. You listed several fights that haven't been finalized or even happened yet.

Stop Mayweather fought Manny because he said so. Mayweather is unlike any of the other haymon fighters he actually calls his own shots and is his own boss not the other way around.

Stiverenne was a paper champ only got the belt because brother Vitali long time champ retired. and he had to fight him because who owns all the other belts? You see now that Wilder has a paper belt and the level of fighters he is fighting? And already making demands and putting up road blocks to avoid fighting the real top heavyweights.

[The Big Dunn]

No Haymon tried to EXTORT HBO. History lesson Haymon refused to let his fighters sign contracts with HBO and he leveraged his roster of fighters to try and extort money out of them at the same time. Telling HBO you need to over pay figher A for this garbage mismatch Garcia vs Salka type fight and if you don't my fighters B, C, D are going to be taken off your network. Haymon wanted to put blatant mismatches and get overpaid for them while giving HBO no assurances that the next fight when and if they fight a top fighter will be on HBO. What network would be foolish to operate under those type of demands? He wanted HBO to hand him a blank check for mismatches and have no contracts? Look where that got Showtime. Look at the ruins Showtime boxing is now for letting Haymon pick the fights and overpay for mismatches with no contracts. First chance Haymon got he screwed them over taking all his fighters to network tv.

Haymon wasn't kicked out of HBO for no reason. He was kicked out because he tried to turn HBO to what you see now on PBC. Blatant mismatches but instead of his investors he is robbing he would of been robbing HBO. Saying HBO started this by blackballing him is like saying you blackballed a man from coming to your house after he came over and robbed you and broke your furniture. LMAO

Garcia/Salka happened years after he was kicked off HBO and well after Garcia had a string of tough fights. Why are you pretending Salka type opponents were the norm?

through all this BS, deflection and justification you finally pointed out that HBO blackballed Haymon. I posted articles confirming this. You are ok with them doing it.

If HBO puts his fighters back on, then you will get what you want. If they continue their position, expect Haymon to go full throttle forward with building PBC.

[The Big Dunn]

Stop Mayweather fought Manny because he said so. Mayweather is unlike any of the other haymon fighters he actually calls his own shots and is his own boss not the other way around.

Stiverenne was a paper champ only got the belt because brother Vitali long time champ retired. and he had to fight him because who owns all the other belts? You see now that Wilder has a paper belt and the level of fighters he is fighting? And already making demands and putting up road blocks to avoid fighting the real top heavyweights.

wilder is a paper champ, we agree. That said, Haymon's 2 biggest clients fought non Haymon fighters in their 1st fights of the year.

You praised Canelo/Kirkland as a HBO matchup of fighters with different promoters, which it was not.

Be an adult, admit your mistake.

[peplz]

No I don't, these whole "cold wars" started with him and his fighters and now every promoter is against him. This leads me to beleive that he's the one causing all this and not EVERYBODY else lol.....

Since when are HBO, Golden Boy, Top Rank and Kathy Duva EVERYBODY? The other EVERYBODY (The rest of the promoters) that are not the aforementioned don't seem to have a problem with him.

[tokon]

OR he wants to fight the legend, if he still fights which i don't think he should, or a highly ranked fighter, get the win, get exposure and gain the fans And knowing HBO budget is in the can, they are thinking a big win and new budget next year will not only be a bigger fight but a more lucrative one...but no youre right theres no other possibility then they want to win a vacated title.

c'mon man, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, guess what, it's probably a duck.

if, like he's been shouting for a while, he was so sure he'd beat Kovalev then he'd take the fight and the money that's on offer now. this "one more fight" is just bull****, one more fight isnt going to make a difference.

it's a duck.

[bigdunny1]

Are you kidding me???

Kirkland, Lemieux, Jennings, Postol, Ruslan and Pascal are NOT A-list fighters from their promoters


Russell/Gonzalez, Wilder/Stiverne and DeGale/Dirrell were excellent fights that impacted the landscape of their respective divisions.

Yes those are all top fighters from their respective promoters. Plus isn't Gonazlez signed to Haymon? And DeGale was unofficially a Haymon guy made officially right after the fight. Gonzalez is being sued by Golden Boy because his promoters relationship with Gonzalez either he is officially signed to Haymon or there is some shady under the table relationship. For example Khan was not officially signed to Haymon when he backed out the originally Devon Alexander fight that Golden Boy made on his behalf but it was widely reported Haymon was involved and that he was ordered to pull out that fight because he had a deal to fight Mayweather next and they didn't want to risk him losing. Later the next year the deal was official. Gonzalez and DeGale were in bed with Haymon at the time of the fights. One is being sued because of it.

Name the fights with rival promoters not under Haymon's control and compare that to the list I just made?

[bigdunny1]

wilder is a paper champ, we agree. That said, Haymon's 2 biggest clients fought non Haymon fighters in their 1st fights of the year.

You praised Canelo/Kirkland as a HBO matchup of fighters with different promoters, which it was not.

Be an adult, admit your mistake.

Canelo signed to Golden Boy, Kirkland signed to SMS(50 cent promoter who just a few years ago had a public fued with Oscar and Golden Boy) and other then Gamboia easily his biggest fighter he had signed. What SMS fighters are appearing on PBC cards? Despite most if not all having no contracts with HBO. What Roc Nation fighters are fighting on HBO despite having no contracts with HBO. Lemieux fought on Fox Sports because he has no contract with HBO yet we all know he will never get a fight on PBC because Haymon's beef with Golden Boy. Multiple Top Rank fighters no contract with HBO but aren't even considered for fights on PBC. I can go on and on. PBC 10X the amount of cards and yet you guys still struggle to show me the fights where PBC puts his best fighters against rival promoters non Haymon guys? Meanwhile HBO with fewer fighters and fewer fights already I can pull a list of those such type fights.

Yet HBO is the problem? Meanwhile Haymon not working with anyone else. That's not blackballing that's you creating and living in your own bubble

[BazookaGomez]

Since when are HBO, Golden Boy, Top Rank and Kathy Duva EVERYBODY? The other EVERYBODY (The rest of the promoters) that are not the aforementioned don't seem to have a problem with him.

His main rival promoters in America are against him, I don't care if he has a good relationship with Hearn and GYM.

[-PBP-]

Yes those are all top fighters from their respective promoters.

Who capitalized on opportunities to get their highest payday and better their careers. There is a clear A-side and a predictable winner in almost every single one of the fights you listed. You're just biased towards HBO so you see them as competitive.

[The Big Dunn]

Canelo signed to Golden Boy, Kirkland signed to SMS(50 cent promoter who just a few years ago had a public fued with Oscar and Golden Boy) and other then Gamboia easily his biggest fighter he had signed. What SMS fighters are appearing on PBC cards? Despite most if not all having no contracts with HBO. What Roc Nation fighters are fighting on HBO despite having no contracts with HBO. Lemieux fought on Fox Sports because he has no contract with HBO yet we all know he will never get a fight on PBC because Haymon's beef with Golden Boy. Multiple Top Rank fighters no contract with HBO but aren't even considered for fights on PBC. I can go on and on.

You are correct, you just are not pointing out the reason for this-because HBO banned Haymon affiliated fighters. In response, Haymon puts his fighters and others (to a lesser degree) on his programs which he created.

What would you have done if you were in Haymon's shoes?