Comments Thread For: Kovalev's Promoter Disappointed Beterbiev Took a Pass

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The disappointing thing about all this is that people [in that thread], and myself, actually believed Yvon's posturing. He released this well-thought-out statement that clearly stated he was genuinely willing and ready to negotiate, only to receive an offer and then say, "we're actually not going to negotiate." Twat.

He gave Duva the opportunity to present an offer and after reviewing it they determined that the better route to take is to go through a purse bid at a later date. This can only happen if he becomes his mandatory. What is wrong with that?

If Duva wants to get big fights for her fighter she needs to make more competitive offers. I want to see these fights as much as anybody and the only way they will happen is through purse bids.

[NEETzsche]

He gave Duva the opportunity to present an offer and after reviewing it they determined that the better route to take is to go through a purse bid at a later date. This can only happen if he becomes his mandatory. What is wrong with that?

If Duva wants to get big fights for her fighter she needs to make more competitive offers. I want to see these fights as much as anybody and the only way they will happen is through purse bids.

even in his follow-up statement he conceded that it was a good offer, better than the mere 25% he'll receive from a purse bid. this isn't about money - either haymon has disallowed the fight to take place outside of pbc, or beterbiev's trainer has said he's not ready yet. or perhaps both

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even in his follow-up statement he conceded that it was a good offer, better than the mere 25% he'll receive from a purse bid. this isn't about money - either haymon has disallowed the fight to take place outside of pbc, or beterbiev's trainer has said he's not ready yet. or perhaps both

25% of what? It's all meaningless with not knowing the actual numbers.

[The Big Dunn]

even in his follow-up statement he conceded that it was a good offer, better than the mere 25% he'll receive from a purse bid. this isn't about money - either haymon has disallowed the fight to take place outside of pbc, or beterbiev's trainer has said he's not ready yet. or perhaps both

25% of what? It's all meaningless with not knowing the actual numbers.

To beat $1 mil the purse bid would have to exceed $4 mil based on the 75/25 purse bid split.

If Haymon/Michel are bidding against the Russians, would you expect a bid higher than $4 mil US?

[NEETzsche]

To beat $1 mil the purse bid would have to exceed $4 mil based on the 75/25 purse bid split.

If Haymon/Michel are bidding against the Russians, would you expect a bid higher than $4 mil US?

it is absolutely not going to earn $4m from american sources. beterbiev has no name in the usa and wouldn't draw more viewers than hopkins or pascal did against kov - and going by recent trends, would likely draw even fewer viewers on pbc than on hbo. i don't know what the total income would be once canadian and russian revenue is accounted for though. duva did offer beterbiev a cut of the canadian ppv revenue

[The Big Dunn]

it is absolutely not going to earn $4m from american sources. beterbiev has no name in the usa and wouldn't draw more viewers than hopkins or pascal did against kov - and going by recent trends, would likely draw even fewer viewers on pbc than on hbo. i don't know what the total income would be once canadian and russian revenue is accounted for though. duva did offer beterbiev a cut of the canadian ppv revenue

You sure? Haymon and affiliates have been significantly over bidding for fights. There is a possibility they bid $5 or 6 mil, which now makes both fighters cut bigger.

The Russians, if it's the guy the bid $22 mil for povetkin/wlad, then he surely goes past $4 mil.

What is the harm in going to a purse bid?

[hitking]

Or take part in the purse bid and fight Stevenson.

I don't put Kovalev in the same category as GGG. GGG is a joke. But their fanbases are pretty much the same idiots. And those idiots have selective amnesia when it comes to how fights don't get made. They just exist in their own lil cocoons where everyone is scared of, and ducking their man crushes.

[hitking]

He said that because it wouldn't be PPV, probably meaning that a PPV would get them more money. But what if Vlad Hyrunov or Ryabinsky bid big money for that fight and want it in Russia?

Andre Ward isn't going to Russia, nor should he. Neither is an established A-side (my eyes roll every time I say or hear that term.) And Ward is very much Kovalev's equal in terms of status in the sport. He actually rates higher IMO. Just like I wouldn't expect Kovalev to go to Oakland.

I look at it very similar to the situation where Roy Jones wouldn't go to Germany to fight Dariusz Michalczewski.

[kafkod]

He didn't walk away from the purse bid, only Kov did.

If Stevenson had actually wanted to fight Kovalev, there would have been no need for a purse bid. He could have negotiated himself a good deal with Duva and probably ended up with more money than if he'd fought Kovalev on ST for a 50/50 split. More than he got for fighting Sukhotsky instead, that's for sure.

He never wanted the fight and the expedited purse bid request was Michel's way of getting him out of it.

[The Big Dunn]

If Stevenson had actually wanted to fight Kovalev, there would have been no need for a purse bid. He could have negotiated himself a good deal with Duva and probably ended up with more money than if he'd fought Kovalev on ST for a 50/50 split. More than he got for fighting Sukhotsky instead, that's for sure.

He never wanted the fight and the expedited purse bid request was Michel's way of getting him out of it.

WTF? there have been purse bids for years. you're suggesting if a fight goes to a purse bid that one guy doesn't want to fight? that is ******ed.

The purse bid winner gets to control venue and broadcast among other things. When Kov/HBO didn't want to cede this to Stevenson/Haymon you were ok with it. Now when the places are reversed, you suddenly have a problem with it. GTFO!

Kov walked away from the purse bid, that is a fact that can not be argued or changed. The purse bid ensures the maximum amount for both boxers. It is the fairest way to do things.