What are things PBC could do better other than Matchmaking ?

[boxinghead530]

They seem to be doing exactly this, but are trying to find networks for their shows. We are still only in month 6 of this so its hard to determine this model is failing.

Do you think if they promoted the shows on smaller networks better that would help?

PBC Promotions had come out the gate a little to fast thinking people would catch on. I know its only 6 months in but in those six month they have been on like nine different channel at various times and that is just to much to take in. If you want something to succeed you have to look at it as a marathon not a sprint. Because if you are sprinting every time you will get burned out in the long run. PBC Promotions IMO have to scale back the channels they are on and get into a more consistent role for the shows, let it build and gain success then expand.

As for it being on smaller newer networks is fine but why waste the money to put it on the smaller networks when you can put that same money into making your main shows even better. It's called quality over quantity. Because they came out the gate with tons of quantity with not much quality. Scale back the quantity to make the quality better.

[BWC]

They need some better production with better entrances, crowd noise, etc. Fights often seem very flat although people in the arena say it's generally pretty good atmosphere..

[The Big Dunn]

PBC Promotions had come out the gate a little to fast thinking people would catch on. I know its only 6 months in but in those six month they have been on like nine different channel at various times and that is just to much to take in. If you want something to succeed you have to look at it as a marathon not a sprint. Because if you are sprinting every time you will get burned out in the long run. PBC Promotions IMO have to scale back the channels they are on and get into a more consistent role for the shows, let it build and gain success then expand.

As for it being on smaller newer networks is fine but why waste the money to put it on the smaller networks when you can put that same money into making your main shows even better. It's called quality over quantity. Because they came out the gate with tons of quantity with not much quality. Scale back the quantity to make the quality better.

I understand but disagree. Multiple networks may not be convenient for the diehard fan, but it gives PBC a chance to be seen by fans that only watch certain networks. If you can get a nonfan that watches Bounce to become a fan, that's a good thing IMO.

The quality hasn't even been bad. Quantity v quality, respectfully is a bogus argument to me. Boxers do not always face top tier talent. Every boxer is not at the same point in their careers either.

by going to the smaller network, they are doing what you and deveel916 are asking-develop a consistent spot to air programming. It's not like more established networks were offering prime time spots for PBC and haymon turned them down.

[crazed_z06]

Just Copy HBO like showtime did.

[SkillspayBills]

Ring girls are superfluous. What isn't are the entrances. Sheesh they are some of the worst. Paulie's song conked out 10 SECONDS into his entrance.

[soul_survivor]

Haymon and all of his supporters (there are quite a few), claim that PBC and everything they have associated with it (American network TV, no alphabet belts, the presentation etc) is designed to move boxing forward, provide it with a larger audience and propel it into the 21st century. Now, we've all heard about the poor match making and objectively speaking, it has been very poor. But let us forget that for now, imagine that Haymon really does aim to do what he says he is...where and how can Haymon and PBC improve boxing?

Personally, I have grown tired of 5 or 6 belts per division, a myriad of interim and international and super and regular titles. Far too many champions for my liking, so theoretically speaking, the removal of title belts from announcements and event publicity may seem like a plus. Let's go with that for now. Let's imagine Hyamon does aim to create a definitive champion, the PBC champion in this case. One per division hopefully. The problem he has with that is, creating such an insular structure, means that some of the leading fighters, say someone like Kovalev who holds 3 of the 4 available belts at 175lb, may never fight Stevenson, the lineal LHW champion. Is that a good thing?

Another aspect of boxing, something else which I dislike, that Haymon claims to be waging a war against, is the lack of boxing on network TV. It would be the British equivalent of moving fights from SkySports, an expensive subscription based sports network to something like the BBC or ITV, which only requires one to own a digital box or cable connection. No extra charges. In all honesty, that sounds like a grand idea. The problem so far, has been the execution, how many fights have aired on channels that people have heard of? Or that people will even tune into? What is the point of bringing boxing to the masses if the masses aren't interested or don't know where to look?

It seems that Haymon say he wants to do one thing (may be he does) but for someone so experienced, wealthy and obviously intelligent, his execution has been terrible. To me it feels like he is a first timer. Without taking sides, Top Rank and GBP have still put on better shows...actually I might take that back. Maybe not Golden Boy. This leaves me and many other boxing fans, who are not loving or hating the product based on race or some weird allegiance of war, in a tough spot. Haymon wants to act the saviour but is coming across as an incompetent novice.

Messiah or buffoon? Only time will tell.

[AddiX]

Ring girls are superfluous. What isn't are the entrances. Sheesh they are some of the worst. Paulie's song conked out 10 SECONDS into his entrance.

The ring walks are done that way on purpose to make sure everything runs on time.

And the reason they use generic songs is because Haymon doesn't want to get sued by the music industry.

But I agree ring walks have gotten incredibly boring, so have post fight interviews, but that comes with trying to bring the sport into a more corporate setting.

[Beater_of_ass]

How many channels would be good? NFL is on 5 networks and that is the fewest of the major sports.


Have either of you considered there are different reasons to air a PBC show? On Bounce, which is a start up network, the small rating we see is one of that networks highest viewed shows.

ESPN, NBC and CBS are going to stay. I would say FoxSports1 is as well. SO what do you want them to drop-Bounce, NBCSPorts?

And it isn't good for basketball or baseball and is probably why the NFL is the most popular sport. People watch football no matter what, that's not what I'm saying but the NFL is on 5 channels and all are channels every knows. FOX, CBS, NBC, ESPN and the NFL Network (not that one.) But it's been like that for a very long time and it's on at the same days at the same times.

PBC is nothing like that. Different obscure channels, different days, different times. I get Haymon wants to spread big but you need to gain a dedicated audience first. UFC was on Spike and the show was consistent, that trumps how many channels you're on. It's okay to be spread out when you're established, not when you're new.

[gauze]

why do so many people care about the ring girls? unless you're at the fight in person, it's not like you're gonna see them. they go to commercials between most rounds and when they dont, they usually show replays or what's happening in the corner. i can't even remember the last time i saw ring card girls on a boxing telecast

[Deevel916]

I understand but disagree. Multiple networks may not be convenient for the diehard fan, but it gives PBC a chance to be seen by fans that only watch certain networks. If you can get a nonfan that watches Bounce to become a fan, that's a good thing IMO.

The quality hasn't even been bad. Quantity v quality, respectfully is a bogus argument to me. Boxers do not always face top tier talent. Every boxer is not at the same point in their careers either.

by going to the smaller network, they are doing what you and deveel916 are asking-develop a consistent spot to air programming. It's not like more established networks were offering prime time spots for PBC and haymon turned them down.

Again, what good is it for the non fan that watches BounceTV if the following card is being held on another channel on a different day of the week and at a different time.

I think you're overestimating the impact these cards will have on non fans/casual fans. PBC hasnt given us anything as of yet to convert these fans and make them searching the 1000 channels on cable looking for a PBC bout on dog knows what channel on any given day and time.