Comments Thread For: Andrade's Promoters Sue Roc Nation Sports For $10 Million

[Eff Pandas]

I'm saying that for now the best thing is to build the fighters. So we can have bigger fights later. If these fighters lose to one another there is never really a #1 vs #2 showdown.

Yea I think this is basically whats going on right now. When Thurman vs Brook means the #1 in the division then it'll happen on primetime NBC. Right now Thurman vs Brook is the best of the next era, but you can wait til its the best of right now. I think slow cooking is whats going on with a lot of PBC guys right now. But after looking at the schedule just a minute ago there are some solid fights going down even if they aren't getting the top two guys in every division fighting 4 months in.

[rasdun]

Garcia didn't take top competition? He beat the who's who of his division. He takes one easy fight and a fight in new weightclass against a guy whose top 15 and now he's some sort of fake. Must a fighter fight top 5 opposition all the time? The only guy who does that is Floyd. And that's the bar now for NSB posters "either you're doing what the best fighter in this generation does or you're doing nothing".

And don't tell me he got love after Khan and Matthysse. After Khan people here said it was a fluke, after Lucas they blame the miraculous eye swelling. Danny might as well changed his last name to Dangerfield for the respect he was getting out here.

And to your Thurman point, I'm not saying the guy's should never fight, I'm saying build their names off the top 15-7 then fight it out when they are stars to general public, but you want to kill the potential before it grows, just so you can see one good fight today.

do you rwad my posts??? I said the opposite! I said he got love when he fought good competition, which he certainly did vs Khan and Matthyse. But, its plain fact that 3 of his past 4 fights have been against HUGE underdogs in which the result was almost a foregone conclusion.
really, Garcia, didn't get love? he didn't get 1 million $ to fight Rod Salka! why do you think he got that. Showtime makes their decisions based on ratings. im speaking pure facts; what are you talking abuot. A bunch of fans who post things on websites? that has no impact on the sport at all!

So if you're saying Thurman shouldn't fight Garcia, what about Khan, or Porter or Brook? according to your rationale, can he fight anyone ranked in top 7 or 8? he has only had about 9 or 10 fights since his HBO debut. how much more time to "build" his name before he takes an actual challenge?

[Eff Pandas]

Eff Pandas there was a time where UFC had less fighters in MMA then PBC has boxers now and UFC still put their best up against each other. There are other leagues with less talent in their sport then PBC does and again they match up the best.

Yea but this is boxing. No one is really do what other sports are doing. HBO is the industry leader & as I just listed PBC is showing more 4 star & up boxrec ranked fights than HBO is showing. HBO does got PBC beat 3 to 1 on 5 star fights, but again PBC is 4 months old. You guys who think what PBC is doing 4 months in is what PBC will be doing 2 years are wishful thinking of PBC's failure lol. And again PBC could very well fail. No doubt about that, but they are making a mark 4 months in & as guys with major promoters contracts come up watch & see PBC picking up some of these guys & the matchups getting even better.

Also what fights do you wanna PBC make among PBC guys? Just curious what you think. And I'm talking guys in the same division right now.

[Eastcoast]

Daaaaaaaamn, salt in the wound... Bye Bye Boo Boo

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— Dan Rafael (@danrafaelespn) July 31, 2015

[Eff Pandas]

you also never responded - please name me one top fighter that Mike Tyson promotions promoted much less a number of great fights they made. they had a few fights on espn with top 20-30 caliber fighters. I can't think of one legit contender they had

I don't recall saying MTP had top fighters. I believe I said they were putting on good fights. They were a young promotional company. Its not expected they would have the best guys out of the gate just like most upstarts won't. They had good promising guys in tough matchups & fans didn't show up or keep them afloat. I was illustrating that good fights don't win the day in boxing.

[rasdun]

Regular fights, like you are suggesting PBC needs to do, between top fighters isn't happening. By anyone. Show me who's doing this if so?

You can say HBO did x or y over the course of their existence. And sure I remember a time when HBO would have months & months of good matchups. There the leader in the industry so they should have been doing that, but the reality is they aren't doing it now. And they have 3 of the biggest 4 names in the sports right now (Cotto, Pacquiao & Canelo). And I mean Pacquiao had a 2.5yr period (post-Marquez IX & pre-Mayweather) where he only fought 1 challenging fight. I think most reasonable people would say Pacquiao vs Algieri & Rios are as bs fights as Mayweather vs Berto if that fight gets made.

I actually think if you break down PBC is doing great in comparison with competitors & specifically HBO, the industry leader. This is whats scheduled as of now (according to Boxrec & using there star rating system).

Aug. 1 (PBC) Garcia vs Malignaggi (5 stars)
Aug. 14 (PBC) Tarver vs Cunningham (4 stars)
Aug. 14 (PBC) Huck vs Glowacki (4 stars)
Aug. 15 (PBC) Alvarez vs Prieto (4 stars)
Aug. 29 (PBC) Santa Cruz vs Mares (4 stars)
Sept. 11 (PBC) Stevenson vs Karpency (4 stars)
Sept. 12 (PBC) Jack vs Groves (4 stars)

Oct. 3 (HBO) Matthysse vs Postol (5 stars)
Oct. 3 (HBO) Orozco vs Soto (4 stars)
Oct. 17 (HBO) Golovkin vs Lemieux (5 stars)
Oct. 24 (HBO) Klitschko vs Fury (5 stars)
Nov. 21 (HBO) Alvarez vs Cotto (5 stars)


I think PBC is doing alright vs HBO in putting 4 star+ fights just 4 months into there run & I'd bet once PBC fills in there mid Sept. to late Nov. gap they'll probably have another 5 or so more 4 star+ fights that end up scheduled.

Is this a joke? you say HBO isn't making big fights even though they have Pac, Cotto, and canelo. Im sure you're aware Cotto and Canelo are fighting next, right? GGG v Lemieux is the best they can get at 160 considering Quillin aint comin near GGG. Kovalev v. BHOP and Crawford v. gamboa within the past yr. they have done some very good fights
plus, I don't care what stars is posted by what website. Garcia had about 7 or 8 better fights maybe more that he could've made over Malignaggi. Stevenson v. Karpency??? Am I in an alternate universe? you think that's a good matchup?
Jack v. groves and Santa Cruz v mares are real good fights, where both fighters have a chance to win.
But, las vegas makes money taking bets for a reason. if a fighter is a 10-1 dog, its for a damn good reason. There have been WAY too many PBC fights involving 10-1 underdogs. I can list a lot of them
lastly, Pac was a 8-1 favorite v. Algieri, and 4-1 v Rios. Mayweather is 45-1 v Berto. if you want to use Boxrec to legitimize anything, their rankings are ok. When pac fought Algieri, he was a top 5, undefeated 140 lb. titlist, and Rios was a top 10 welter, Berto is ranked 21. theyre not quite the same

[rasdun]

I don't recall saying MTP had top fighters. I believe I said they were putting on good fights. They were a young promotional company. Its not expected they would have the best guys out of the gate just like most upstarts won't. They had good promising guys in tough matchups & fans didn't show up or keep them afloat. I was illustrating that good fights don't win the day in boxing.

your quote: I thought Mike Tyson promotional company was doing a great job at all levels of bringing good fights to the fans.
They weren't doing it at the top level - so you cant compare them to PBC when they had no real good fighters. C'mon - you don't get that?

*edit* how can you compare a promotional company putting on fights with unranked guys or prospects to a company that has dozens of world champs and top 5 contenders. It would be like comparing NBA to the league in Greece

[rasdun]

Yea but this is boxing. No one is really do what other sports are doing. HBO is the industry leader & as I just listed PBC is showing more 4 star & up boxrec ranked fights than HBO is showing. HBO does got PBC beat 3 to 1 on 5 star fights, but again PBC is 4 months old. You guys who think what PBC is doing 4 months in is what PBC will be doing 2 years are wishful thinking of PBC's failure lol. And again PBC could very well fail. No doubt about that, but they are making a mark 4 months in & as guys with major promoters contracts come up watch & see PBC picking up some of these guys & the matchups getting even better.

Also what fights do you wanna PBC make among PBC guys? Just curious what you think. And I'm talking guys in the same division right now.

There are so many at 147, but any fight involving Khan, Porter, Garcia and Thurman fighting each other would be a good start.

[rasdun]

Yea I think this is basically whats going on right now. When Thurman vs Brook means the #1 in the division then it'll happen on primetime NBC. Right now Thurman vs Brook is the best of the next era, but you can wait til its the best of right now. I think slow cooking is whats going on with a lot of PBC guys right now. But after looking at the schedule just a minute ago there are some solid fights going down even if they aren't getting the top two guys in every division fighting 4 months in.

but, we don't need to have that fight - as I pointed out above, Thurman v. Khan, Garcia, or porter would do just fine as well. Basically, Im asking for Thurman vs someone that has a shot. Even Guererro was a step up, but I think we were all pretty sure how that would turn out. we knew the clear "A" side and "B" side. and guerrero was actually an improvement vs the dredge we had gotten over the past 2 yrs
: Julio Diaz, Leonard Bundu and Louis Collazo.
Thurman v. porter, Garcia and Khan are intriguing fights that are good for the sport. really cant see how there could even be a debate?

[bigdunny1]

Regular fights, like you are suggesting PBC needs to do, between top fighters isn't happening. By anyone. Show me who's doing this if so?

You can say HBO did x or y over the course of their existence. And sure I remember a time when HBO would have months & months of good matchups. There the leader in the industry so they should have been doing that, but the reality is they aren't doing it now. And they have 3 of the biggest 4 names in the sports right now (Cotto, Pacquiao & Canelo). And I mean Pacquiao had a 2.5yr period (post-Marquez IX & pre-Mayweather) where he only fought 1 challenging fight. I think most reasonable people would say Pacquiao vs Algieri & Rios are as bs fights as Mayweather vs Berto if that fight gets made.

I actually think if you break down PBC is doing great in comparison with competitors & specifically HBO, the industry leader. This is whats scheduled as of now (according to Boxrec & using there star rating system).

Aug. 1 (PBC) Garcia vs Malignaggi (5 stars)
Aug. 14 (PBC) Tarver vs Cunningham (4 stars)
Aug. 14 (PBC) Huck vs Glowacki (4 stars)
Aug. 15 (PBC) Alvarez vs Prieto (4 stars)
Aug. 29 (PBC) Santa Cruz vs Mares (4 stars)
Sept. 11 (PBC) Stevenson vs Karpency (4 stars)
Sept. 12 (PBC) Jack vs Groves (4 stars)

Oct. 3 (HBO) Matthysse vs Postol (5 stars)
Oct. 3 (HBO) Orozco vs Soto (4 stars)
Oct. 17 (HBO) Golovkin vs Lemieux (5 stars)
Oct. 24 (HBO) Klitschko vs Fury (5 stars)
Nov. 21 (HBO) Alvarez vs Cotto (5 stars)


I think PBC is doing alright vs HBO in putting 4 star+ fights just 4 months into there run & I'd bet once PBC fills in there mid Sept. to late Nov. gap they'll probably have another 5 or so more 4 star+ fights that end up scheduled.

Stopped reading after this. No way is that Garcia fight a 5 star. The fact is PBC has put on like 10X the amount of cards then HBO yet nobody with half a brain would say the quality is even close. Sure they put out a sheer higher volume amount of fights but look at what all the writers and analysis have HBO with to this point the leading candidates for Fight of the Year and Knock out of the year. And in the last week HBO has 3 fights locked up that could each beat out fight of the year and knock out of the year. Better, more relevant fights have been on HBO. Fights with the top fighters from rival promotions are being made on HBO. Almost every fight you just highlighted from HBO is not in house promotions. While PBC is just in house fights and not the best fighting the best. They are not fighting the best from rival promoters and damn sure not fighting the best in house. Saying they are on par with HBO is beyond laughable. For every PBC fight that you think is even on paper going in I can name 10-20 that were horrible dog crap mismatches.