Comments Thread For: Andrade's Promoters Sue Roc Nation Sports For $10 Million

[rasdun]

You said the cream has risen to the top. I say they haven't yet, but these fighters are names. If you let them beat everyone else and be established themselves as the top, then match them with one another down the line, you can actually make money off them, and keep boxing on free TV instead of just killing some of your big name fighters and having nothing to show for it.

wow! so you, as a boxing fan, are in favor of more Thurman v. Collazo matches, Lara v. Delvin Rodriguez, Stevenson v Karpency, and all these 20-1. 30-1 underdog fights.
When a fighter is ranked in the top 5 of their division, they have risen to the top! the only way to move higher is to fight other contenders!
a loss does not kill a fighter. Even your example of Berto is terrible. How many fights on premium cable did Berto get AFTER his loss to Ortiz? 4 or 5, and now hes getting the biggest fight in boxing. yeah, your right, that loss to Ortiz killed his career.
if the top contenders fight the top contenders, the way BOXING HAS DONE IT FOR 100 YRS, it will be better for the sport, the fans and everyone. The only thing its not better for is the cherry-picker who is just looking for the biggest payday with the lowest risk.
Well remember, its not just a business - its a sport. the point of professional sport is to have the best vs the best!
For some reason, you don't think that's whats best for the sport. alright, enjoy more fights with 40-1 underdogs where we know who will win before the bell sounds

[rasdun]

Quite the opposite. I remember people were saying Berto should quit after losing to Ortiz on this site. Honestly the fans can't wait to throw a fighter away, because they are used to having so few dates for a fight that anyone who wasn't top tier shouldn't exist in their eyes.

Back in the 80's Hearns could lose to Leonard, Hagler and Barkley twice and still get love. Let Thurman lose right now and see how fast he is labled as being nothing but hype. Hell Danny Garcia hasn't lost yet and still holds thaht title to a lot of people.

and why does Garcia have that label - bc his last few fights have consisted of wins over Rod f***in Salka, who was not even a top 30 lightweight, much less fighting the jr. weltwt champion of the world 1 1/2 weight classes above where he fights. or because he got a controversial decision against Mauricio Herrera. Now, he's scheduled to fight Malignaggi, a 10-1 dog, who hasn't fought in over a yr, and even then was brutually knocked out. Its his competition! After his wins over Khan and Matthyse, he got much love. but since then, his competition has left a lot to be desired.
Same with Thurman, has he fought anyone good, NO!
You're proving my point for me. guys get labeled hype jobs when they fight a bunch of 10-1 dogs. take top competition, like Tommy Hearns, or more recently, de la Hoya, Erik Morales, and you can lose your fair share and get a lot of public support

[285Kid]

another one

[aldo5408]

2Ms plus 550k for boo boo lol wtf is jay thinking he isn't a star

[elfag]

lol does roc nation even have 10 million dollars? If they actually win, roc nation goes bankrupt and they dont get ****. should have sued jay z.

[SkillspayBills]

Sheesh, sounds like they got totally duped. They were right though, not accepting the deal from Showtime damn near ruined Andrade's career.

[MC Hammer]

wow! so you, as a boxing fan, are in favor of more Thurman v. Collazo matches, Lara v. Delvin Rodriguez, Stevenson v Karpency, and all these 20-1. 30-1 underdog fights.
When a fighter is ranked in the top 5 of their division, they have risen to the top! the only way to move higher is to fight other contenders!
a loss does not kill a fighter. Even your example of Berto is terrible. How many fights on premium cable did Berto get AFTER his loss to Ortiz? 4 or 5, and now hes getting the biggest fight in boxing. yeah, your right, that loss to Ortiz killed his career.
if the top contenders fight the top contenders, the way BOXING HAS DONE IT FOR 100 YRS, it will be better for the sport, the fans and everyone. The only thing its not better for is the cherry-picker who is just looking for the biggest payday with the lowest risk.
Well remember, its not just a business - its a sport. the point of professional sport is to have the best vs the best!
For some reason, you don't think that's whats best for the sport. alright, enjoy more fights with 40-1 underdogs where we know who will win before the bell sounds

I'm saying that for now the best thing is to build the fighters. So we can have bigger fights later. If these fighters lose to one another there is never really a #1 vs #2 showdown. You glorify past ages as if Floyd Patterson immediately fought Sonny Liston or like it didn't take over 5 years for Hagler vs Leonard. Every fight isn't going to be a top fight and that IS for the good of the sport. If every football game was the Super Bowl would the Super Bowl matter as much?

Also as far as Berto goes, if it was up to "the fans" his career would have ended immediately after Ortiz. As would anyone else who is not at the top.

[MC Hammer]

and why does Garcia have that label - bc his last few fights have consisted of wins over Rod f***in Salka, who was not even a top 30 lightweight, much less fighting the jr. weltwt champion of the world 1 1/2 weight classes above where he fights. or because he got a controversial decision against Mauricio Herrera. Now, he's scheduled to fight Malignaggi, a 10-1 dog, who hasn't fought in over a yr, and even then was brutually knocked out. Its his competition! After his wins over Khan and Matthyse, he got much love. but since then, his competition has left a lot to be desired.
Same with Thurman, has he fought anyone good, NO!
You're proving my point for me. guys get labeled hype jobs when they fight a bunch of 10-1 dogs. take top competition, like Tommy Hearns, or more recently, de la Hoya, Erik Morales, and you can lose your fair share and get a lot of public support

Garcia didn't take top competition? He beat the who's who of his division. He takes one easy fight and a fight in new weightclass against a guy whose top 15 and now he's some sort of fake. Must a fighter fight top 5 opposition all the time? The only guy who does that is Floyd. And that's the bar now for NSB posters "either you're doing what the best fighter in this generation does or you're doing nothing".

And don't tell me he got love after Khan and Matthysse. After Khan people here said it was a fluke, after Lucas they blame the miraculous eye swelling. Danny might as well changed his last name to Dangerfield for the respect he was getting out here.

And to your Thurman point, I'm not saying the guy's should never fight, I'm saying build their names off the top 15-7 then fight it out when they are stars to general public, but you want to kill the potential before it grows, just so you can see one good fight today.

[Eff Pandas]

Making good matches is not "changing the boxing landscape" that's crazy!!!

Regular fights, like you are suggesting PBC needs to do, between top fighters isn't happening. By anyone. Show me who's doing this if so?

You can say HBO did x or y over the course of their existence. And sure I remember a time when HBO would have months & months of good matchups. There the leader in the industry so they should have been doing that, but the reality is they aren't doing it now. And they have 3 of the biggest 4 names in the sports right now (Cotto, Pacquiao & Canelo). And I mean Pacquiao had a 2.5yr period (post-Marquez IX & pre-Mayweather) where he only fought 1 challenging fight. I think most reasonable people would say Pacquiao vs Algieri & Rios are as bs fights as Mayweather vs Berto if that fight gets made.

I actually think if you break down PBC is doing great in comparison with competitors & specifically HBO, the industry leader. This is whats scheduled as of now (according to Boxrec & using there star rating system).

Aug. 1 (PBC) Garcia vs Malignaggi (5 stars)
Aug. 14 (PBC) Tarver vs Cunningham (4 stars)
Aug. 14 (PBC) Huck vs Glowacki (4 stars)
Aug. 15 (PBC) Alvarez vs Prieto (4 stars)
Aug. 29 (PBC) Santa Cruz vs Mares (4 stars)
Sept. 11 (PBC) Stevenson vs Karpency (4 stars)
Sept. 12 (PBC) Jack vs Groves (4 stars)

Oct. 3 (HBO) Matthysse vs Postol (5 stars)
Oct. 3 (HBO) Orozco vs Soto (4 stars)
Oct. 17 (HBO) Golovkin vs Lemieux (5 stars)
Oct. 24 (HBO) Klitschko vs Fury (5 stars)
Nov. 21 (HBO) Alvarez vs Cotto (5 stars)


I think PBC is doing alright vs HBO in putting 4 star+ fights just 4 months into there run & I'd bet once PBC fills in there mid Sept. to late Nov. gap they'll probably have another 5 or so more 4 star+ fights that end up scheduled.

[rasdun]

I'm saying that for now the best thing is to build the fighters. So we can have bigger fights later. If these fighters lose to one another there is never really a #1 vs #2 showdown. You glorify past ages as if Floyd Patterson immediately fought Sonny Liston or like it didn't take over 5 years for Hagler vs Leonard. Every fight isn't going to be a top fight and that IS for the good of the sport. If every football game was the Super Bowl would the Super Bowl matter as much?

Also as far as Berto goes, if it was up to "the fans" his career would have ended immediately after Ortiz. As would anyone else who is not at the top.

Thurman v. Khan or Porter is being compared to Hagler v. leonard. Are you crazy. that is simply a fight between 2 fighters at the bottom of the top 5 of the division. You can only build a fighter so much with fights against the likes of Julio Diaz, Leonard Bundu and a washed up Luis Collazo. Guererro was a step in the right direction, but how much more does Thurman need to be "built" before fighting a top 5 contender. He first fought on HBO 3 years ago and started fighting guys like Diego Chaves and Soto-Karass two years. ago. Then, for some inexplicable reason, he started fighting weaker competition. Did this help build him? You can defend it all you want. It's not good for the sport. period.
I can understand why haymon did it when he was solely an advisor - his job was getting the most money for the easiest fights. BUT THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE SPORT.
Isnt that what we're discussing the long-term benefits for PBC and the sport. Thurman vs a fighter with a chance to actually win next time out would be good for the sport, not bad. lol.

and to your other comment - its not up to the fans. so who cares if a bunch of fans overreact and post things on social media? what does that affect - it obviously hasn't affected his ability to get big fights has it? you said 1 loss kills a career, and you mentioned Berto. Berto is actual proof of the opposite. He's had a number of bad losses, hasn't had that many good wins and yet still has continued with a great career. So, if someone like Thurman or Garcia fights good fighters and loses a couple, please don't try to sell me on the fact that their career will be ruined.