Comments Thread For: Andrade's Promoters Sue Roc Nation Sports For $10 Million

[Eff Pandas]

That just isn't true. Again, no one is asking PBC to "change the boxing landscape in 4 months". Just make the best fights you can! its a simple recipe. make the best fights and fans will come back for more.

Thats changing the boxing landscape. NO ONE IS DOING THAT. HBO has thrown together more BS fights this year & its only July then perhaps they have ever thrown on HBO & they are the leader in the business. People are still watching. Matter of fact I believe the Klitschko vs no hoper Jennings fight broke a record in x years or something for viewers. You are making up what you think drives the business & its just simply wrong.

Like I said MTP was throwing some good fights on there cards for their level of the game & they went outta business. If you make good fights, the fans come & one would think the money comes therefore you'd stick around. There is more going on here than you think.

[torosboxing75]

A lot of the important conversations seem like they were in private with no record. That's never good. Emails are always better and are considered solid evidence. Me and my wife have made it a habit of emailing every contract or agreement, with specific detail on the situation. Also everything is documented. Even time of phone calls. I kind of feel bad for Andrade now, but it pisses me off as a boxing fan when I hear "easier fights for more money".

[Themanager]

Of course I think the allegations are true but unless you had a written contract don't see what the courts can do. DeAndre Jordan gave verbal agreement to sign with the Dallas Mavericks. Then the Clippers scooped in and signed him because they had nothing signed. I don't see the mavs suing. This is on some Jerry Mcguire shyt with Cushs dad saying “You know I don’t do contracts, but what you do have is my word. And it’s stronger than oak.” LMAO

OMG. That's so funny !!!! Lmao. And so true )). But you would think it would be a little more solid when The guy shaking your hand is a BILLIONAIRE. turns out it isn't...

[MC Hammer]

the cream has already risen. Don't we know that Thurman, Khan, Garcia, and Porter are top 5 or top 7 147 lbers. So why can't any of them fight each other?

The advertising to pay them won't be there because advertising is done months in advance. Plus we really don't know that. Those are popular names but Garcia and Khan haven't fought anyone at 147 thats real yet, matter fact neither has Thurman.

[rasdun]

Thats changing the boxing landscape. NO ONE IS DOING THAT. HBO has thrown together more BS fights this year & its only July then perhaps they have ever thrown on HBO & they are the leader in the business. People are still watching. Matter of fact I believe the Klitschko vs no hoper Jennings fight broke a record in x years or something for viewers. You are making up what you think drives the business & its just simply wrong.

Like I said MTP was throwing some good fights on there cards for their level of the game & they went outta business. If you make good fights, the fans come & one would think the money comes therefore you'd stick around. There is more going on here than you think.

Besides Wilder - who is PBC and wouldn't have fought Klitchko - who could Klitchko have fought that would've been a better challenge tha Jennings. He was undefeated and a top 10 fighter in hvywt division. Also, although HBO schedule hasn't been great lately, throughout past 20 yrs they've always made the best fights. The lsut is too long to write. what fights could HBO have made that they didn't?- theyr trying to make the best fights, its not as they have good fighters and are purposefully not making the fights like PBC. PBC has more fighters by far than anyone else. Boxing has been going on for 100 yrs and the best has always fought the best. Making good matches is not "changing the boxing landscape" that's crazy!!!

[rasdun]

The advertising to pay them won't be there because advertising is done months in advance. Plus we really don't know that. Those are popular names but Garcia and Khan haven't fought anyone at 147 thats real yet, matter fact neither has Thurman.

EXACTLY!!!! that's my point. so match them up instead of continuing to face 10-1 dogs
Plus, adverting can be done in 3-4 months which is how far in advance fights are made. Plus, these guys are fighting. theyre getting revenue to pay Garcia and Thurman, but have em fight each other instead of 10-1 dogs like Collazo and malignaggi

[rasdun]

Thats changing the boxing landscape. NO ONE IS DOING THAT. HBO has thrown together more BS fights this year & its only July then perhaps they have ever thrown on HBO & they are the leader in the business. People are still watching. Matter of fact I believe the Klitschko vs no hoper Jennings fight broke a record in x years or something for viewers. You are making up what you think drives the business & its just simply wrong.

Like I said MTP was throwing some good fights on there cards for their level of the game & they went outta business. If you make good fights, the fans come & one would think the money comes therefore you'd stick around. There is more going on here than you think.

you also never responded - please name me one top fighter that Mike Tyson promotions promoted much less a number of great fights they made. they had a few fights on espn with top 20-30 caliber fighters. I can't think of one legit contender they had

[MC Hammer]

1-2 losses and a fighter is done is a complete misnomer. It was like that in the 80's when fighters like Duran, Leonard Hearns and haggler did a round robin. Or in late 90's early '00 when there were like 13 fights involving Pac, Barrera, JMM and Morales. Or when de la Hoya fought everyone under the sun, losing some and winning some.
Basically, boxing fans are not idiots. If you cherry pick and still come out with a number of losses, then, yeah - you deserve to be discredited. For instance, Broner has lost the couple of times he stepped up in competition. Its not as it Broner has a number of good wins and some losses. What are his best wins, Antonio Demarco and barely getting by Malignaggi by split dec?
But, if you fight the best, like de la Hoya, Pac, JMM, Barerra, Morales, or even now Khan, Maidana, Lamont Peterson and Lucas Matthyse, who all have 3 or more losses but are still considered a top 5 in 140 or 147 lbs, you're not told that you suck or need to retire. That's absurd. Boxing fans are smarter than that

**edit** to add to that, are fighters named above like Peterson, Khan, Maidana, Matthyse, as well as others like Malignaggi and Provodnikov, all of which have at least a few losses, still getting big fights and making good purses. YES!
bc they're losses were to good fighters and fans respect that. they are still marketable. And even Broner, guranateed he still gets a big purse next time.
Just bc fans say on social media that a guy sucks - that means nothing. These fighters are still ranked in top 10 and still getting big fights and making money.
That's why there is no need to make fights like Thurman v. Collazo when there are so many better options for Thurman to fight

Quite the opposite. I remember people were saying Berto should quit after losing to Ortiz on this site. Honestly the fans can't wait to throw a fighter away, because they are used to having so few dates for a fight that anyone who wasn't top tier shouldn't exist in their eyes.

Back in the 80's Hearns could lose to Leonard, Hagler and Barkley twice and still get love. Let Thurman lose right now and see how fast he is labled as being nothing but hype. Hell Danny Garcia hasn't lost yet and still holds thaht title to a lot of people.

[MC Hammer]

EXACTLY!!!! that's my point. so match them up instead of continuing to face 10-1 dogs
Plus, adverting can be done in 3-4 months which is how far in advance fights are made. Plus, these guys are fighting. theyre getting revenue to pay Garcia and Thurman, but have em fight each other instead of 10-1 dogs like Collazo and malignaggi

You said the cream has risen to the top. I say they haven't yet, but these fighters are names. If you let them beat everyone else and be established themselves as the top, then match them with one another down the line, you can actually make money off them, and keep boxing on free TV instead of just killing some of your big name fighters and having nothing to show for it.

[rasdun]

Quite the opposite. I remember people were saying Berto should quit after losing to Ortiz on this site. Honestly the fans can't wait to throw a fighter away, because they are used to having so few dates for a fight that anyone who wasn't top tier shouldn't exist in their eyes.

Back in the 80's Hearns could lose to Leonard, Hagler and Barkley twice and still get love. Let Thurman lose right now and see how fast he is labled as being nothing but hype. Hell Danny Garcia hasn't lost yet and still holds thaht title to a lot of people.

you obviously didn't read my entire post. I said if a guy loses everytime he fights a good opponent - like Berto has, then yeah. he'll get denigrated when he loses. When Ortiz had lost to Ortyiz, who did he beat? He sc****d by Collazo in a close fight. anyone else worth mentioning? Urango? c'mon. Hearns could lose bc he fought good fighters. Even 25 yrs ago, if a fighter lost the first time they fought a good oppoenent, there was the same talk. that talk is just more accessible to everyone bc of social media.

plus, our discussion was with regard to business and why he said PBC wasn't matching their tough fighters. But, as I pointed out, there are many current fighters - Provodnikov. Malignaggi, Maidana, Khan, Matthyse who have 3 or more losses who continue to get good opportunities and paydays. A fighters career is not ruined from a loss, or a couple from that matter - especially if they are fighting a good fighter.
Will that fighter take a step back in their career, of course, to some extent. But, Ill tell you, if Thurman fights 2 of these 4 in his nxt 2 fights: Garcia, khan, Porter, brook. and goes 1-1. It will do more for his career and more for PBC and boxing then his wins over Collazo, Julio Diaz and Leonard Bundu ever did