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... I think Duva is only threatening Haymon with this statement... she's threatening Haymon with the Russians' money as for the Stevenson purse bid...
... but I suspect that the Russian big shots aren't so generous with the money for the moment, following the EU economic embargo and the Chinese financial meltdown...Comment
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I didn't he say he didn't deserve it. I said it probably wouldn't be wise to fight Kovalev RIGHT NOW. Why not wait a little more to gain more experience before facing a killer like Kovalev and maximizing his chances of winning. Plus, if Kovalev keeps winning that victory could be even bigger down the line. (People could make a case for him not deserving a shot though. They'll say he doesn't have enough fights
Dude, a trilogy would be difficult to pull off. These two punch way too hard. Even one fight can be career changing. Whether it's a one punch knockout or a late round war, even one fight can have negative affects on them.Eliminate each other??? LOL wtf you talking about. This fight could be a epic trilogy in boxing history potentially. These are two mean motor scooters brother.
One or both may never comeback the same. So why not let them clean up the 175 division, which won't take long anyway, before fighting each other?
I agree L's are overrated.I'm glad to see guys moved faster lately. Rigo, Loma, a bunch of TR's Olympic guys. Beterbiev is in this category to. He had a high level amateur career. He's not on that 4-5 year plan. Loma caught an L early. So what. L's are so overrated in boxing today. Guys think Ali or Robinson were undefeated or something with how ****ty fans act like catching a L is.
Artur's amateur career is actually quite comparable to that of Rigo's and Loma's in terms of wins. His resume was insane in the unpaid ranks. The only thing missing were those two Olympic Gold Medals. Which he could have gotten btw. He was robbed at the 08 Olympics because China had an agenda (it's funny out of all the weight classes in boxing they chose to want to have an Olympic champion at Light-Heavy). For the 2012 Olympics he was forced, well not forced, but voluntarily moved up to satisfy his teammate Egor Mekhontsev. Egor was apparently tired of giving up so much weight at Heavyweight and wanted to move down to Light-Heavy. Well even though Artur would also give up weight at Heavy, he moved up so Egor could move down. Egor ended up winning the Gold at Light-Heavy at the 2012 Olympics. Artur would have probably gotten the gold at Light-Heavy as well (If Egor did it, I don't see why Artur wouldn't have done it). But since he fought at Heavy, he lost to the eventual Gold Medalist Oleksandr Usyk in a close competitive fight in the Quarterfinals. Usyk later said Artur was probably his toughest fight. Well there is a little history for you.
Those are the type of fight Artur needs right now. Test him against Fonfara and even Stevenson.And yea I got np with Beterbiev vs Fonfara. They can make that fight now or after Kovalev if they accept that fight. That seems like it'd be a fun fight too.
Well what do you consider a career defining fight? If it's as special as you make it out to be, then most fighters in history don't have many career defining fights imo. In this day and age, I believe you will see more boxers still in there prime or close to there prime up until their mid-30's. It can be argued that Stevenson would be a career defining fight as it would open up even bigger doors for Beterbiev. That's a fight I wouldn't mind seeing later this year. Stevenson is not a bad fighter but he really is one hand dependent. That fight will also give us a hint of how good Beterbiev is. Some may say Fonfara can test him. Well let's find out.Beterbiev is gonna be as old as GGG right now & still looking for a career defining fight? Thats silly. He's a talented guy capable of big things, but his career is burning daylight already. He's been fighting professionally for 2 years. he's got maybe 4-6 years probably as of today to make something happen before he's on the downside of his career. And worse case he loses & he can follow your road from there & rebuild for a 2017 big fight. No harm no foul.
Solid points, but we can't tell the future. We don't know how the boxing landscape will be even a year from now. So if the fight doesn't happen next, it doesn't mean it will never happen. Plus, I think Yvon Michel is WAY more confident in Artur than Adonis. He might not even have a problem letting Artur fight Kovalev on HBO in the future. They're building up Artur to be the Kovalev destroyer, I'm telling you. Furthermore, for all we know Kovalev might not be with Duva (I hope not), he's better off signing with Ryabinsky and Hyrunov.He's an elite guy in an non-elite division (imo). If he can't beat Kovalev he's still gonna be a top 3, top 5 caliber guy & will get shots at titles again. And the thing with Kovalev is that would be a huge scalp & a scalp I think he's capable of taking & if his team turns down this fight it may never be a chance given again. Thats worth considering here to. I think the odds are very solid that if Beterbiev passes & is the mandatory for Kov's title in late 2016 that Haymon/GYM will win the purse bid (cuz these sides don't play well together it would seem) & Kov just drops the title & thats a scalp he'll never even get the chance to take.
You're making good points. But this fight can still get a little more "hot". I mean think about it, about a week ago there was no threads regarding this figh,t but all of the sudden Kovalev fights and this becomes a HUGE fight. This fight is still a year away imo. The grill barely started for this fight, they can afford to build it up for at least a year or year and a half.Stevenson vs Kov isn't happening. But yea I agree I'd be interested in Beterbiev vs Stevenson myself. I'm interested in Beterbiev vs anyone at 175 & the more notable the better. He's a entertaining elite talent. Why wouldn't anyone wanna watch him vs anyone at his weight?
If Beterbiev beats Stevenson I think that would actually make Kov vs Beterbiev harder to make cuz HBO has shown they aren't willing to pay what PBC is paying & at the end of the day these guys don't have nor are likely to have the type of mainstream following to get two huge en****** in boxing to come together on terms to make the fight happened. Trying to build up this fight more is just gonna result in less chance of it happening. This is one of the flaws with boxing in general & something boxing could learn a lot from the UFC concerning. When a fight is hot in the UFC they make it within 3-4 months an overwhelming majority of the time. When a fight is hot in boxing they rarely make it within a year. Everything has to bake a little longer in boxing for some reason & we gotta see these amazing talents fight Bulgarian garbage men & French pimps instead of seeing a compelling or great fight. Thats the old way. People don't got time for waiting on all these great fights. Thats probably one of the many reasons so many fans have drifted away from boxing. This is a "give it to me now" culture & boxing is always like "nah just wait a lilllllllll biiiittttt loooonnggerrrrr".
I think Artur will become big in Canada, maybe not Bute big, but big. Like you said who doesn't want to see a big puncher and exciting fighter like Beterbiev.
To me this fight is more compelling than vs. Ward and it will probably also be for the masses. Two huge punchers clashing. P4P there is more power in this fight than the GGG vs. Lemieux fight imo.Comment
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... At this point, neither Kovalev nor Beterbiev need to fight each other... They would only make room for those less skilled, less powerful in the division...Comment
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I feel like this Bieber offer is to make it look like they can and will make it... but as long as they have control over everything and GYM does what they want. Network won't be an issue here because it would have to be HBOComment
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Now you make me lough...
Since when they make profit in Moscow with boxing fights? If ***** wants it, he will get it -- is that simple overthere...
But it's about that Kovalev-Stevenson purse bid... If the Russians get involved, Haymon can't prevent them from winning the bid, and he can't prevent the fight from happening as the WBC ordered that purse bid... Or am I wrong?Comment
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