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  • Probably for the same reason Andre Ward fears it



    http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=683922

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    • Would you have asked Marvin Hagler this question also?

      I thought from a mere observational standpoint, that Ward was the P4P skilled fighter of the two. You know --- the kind of guy who is expected to weight climb though divisions and use his sweet science to oubox much bigger fighters who are also great.

      Why can't GGG just fight at 160, keep defending his belt until he finally collects that Lineal Title that has been escaping him? The focus should be on what Ward does with his greatness, not GGG. Maybe GGG is not the most feared from 154-168, which was just promotional hyperbole. And those of you who continue to hang on to these words in order to get him to move up, when the Lineal 168 champ cannot even bring himself to fight a tomato can at 175, but had to weight test at 172 to see if he can deal with the size and strength of a Light-heavyweight.

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      • Originally posted by Cupo303 View Post
        Would you have asked Marvin Hagler this question also?

        I thought from a mere observational standpoint, that Ward was the P4P skilled fighter of the two. You know --- the kind of guy who is expected to weight climb though divisions and use his sweet science to oubox much bigger fighters who are also great.
        This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

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        • Originally posted by Reloaded View Post
          The bit you dont understand if Kov is first then no going back to 168 , this is what GGG and all his fanboys want , which is no part of Ward unless he drained , if Ward were to fight GGG then Kov would be next , Id like to see Ward fight both .
          That's his own fault though if he isn't able to move back down. Same would go for GGG if he moved up to 168 and decided it wasn't for him, but found it difficult to move back down for whatever reason. Would you expect GGG to campaign @168 after fighting Ward, assuming he got decisively beaten?
          Last edited by kiaba360; 07-24-2015, 10:10 AM.

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          • Originally posted by Cupo303 View Post
            Would you have asked Marvin Hagler this question also?

            I thought from a mere observational standpoint, that Ward was the P4P skilled fighter of the two. You know --- the kind of guy who is expected to weight climb though divisions and use his sweet science to oubox much bigger fighters who are also great.

            Why can't GGG just fight at 160, keep defending his belt until he finally collects that Lineal Title that has been escaping him? The focus should be on what Ward does with his greatness, not GGG. Maybe GGG is not the most feared from 154-168, which was just promotional hyperbole. And those of you who continue to hang on to these words in order to get him to move up, when the Lineal 168 champ cannot even bring himself to fight a tomato can at 175, but had to weight test at 172 to see if he can deal with the size and strength of a Light-heavyweight.
            I addressed Hagler in my opening post. I anticipated every counter argument beforehand.

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            • Originally posted by King_ View Post
              Probably for the same reason Andre Ward fears it



              http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=683922
              Ward already answered the challenge and beat one quality fighter after another. All we get from team ggg is excuses. ggg has yet to fight even one quality opponent. At some point you have to stop talking about it and start being about it

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              • Originally posted by BertoRollin' View Post
                I addressed Hagler in my opening post. I anticipated every counter argument beforehand.
                No you never....you said Hagler couldn't move up to 168lb because the division wasn't yet established or worthy, which is true. Fact is though, at that time, the leading middleweight would go on to fight the leading light heavyweight, it was tradition, as was the leading light heavyweight fighting heavyweights (Spinks, Foster et al).

                I asked you before, why is Hagler not fighting Spinks not held against him? Hagler is regularly counted as a top 20 or even 15 ATG. His best wins in the entirety of the 1980s are Hearn and Duran, two smaller guys, in Duran's case, much smaller.

                Why do we not ask the question: Hagler didn't chase greatness?

                Leonard, Hearn and Duran certainly did.

                I'm asking not because I think Hagler isn't great, I most certainly do but because we can't use wishy washy criteria like this.

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                • Originally posted by soul_survivor View Post
                  No you never....you said Hagler couldn't move up to 168lb because the division wasn't yet established or worthy, which is true. Fact is though, at that time, the leading middleweight would go on to fight the leading light heavyweight, it was tradition, as was the leading light heavyweight fighting heavyweights (Spinks, Foster et al).

                  I asked you before, why is Hagler not fighting Spinks not held against him? Hagler is regularly counted as a top 20 or even 15 ATG. His best wins in the entirety of the 1980s are Hearn and Duran, two smaller guys, in Duran's case, much smaller.

                  Why do we not ask the question: Hagler didn't chase greatness?

                  Leonard, Hearn and Duran certainly did.

                  I'm asking not because I think Hagler isn't great, I most certainly do but because we can't use wishy washy criteria like this.
                  I would never ask a MW to fight a LHW. That's why. If I was demanding GGG to fight Kovalev you would have a point.

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                  • Originally posted by soul_survivor View Post
                    No you never....you said Hagler couldn't move up to 168lb because the division wasn't yet established or worthy, which is true. Fact is though, at that time, the leading middleweight would go on to fight the leading light heavyweight, it was tradition, as was the leading light heavyweight fighting heavyweights (Spinks, Foster et al).

                    I asked you before, why is Hagler not fighting Spinks not held against him? Hagler is regularly counted as a top 20 or even 15 ATG. His best wins in the entirety of the 1980s are Hearn and Duran, two smaller guys, in Duran's case, much smaller.

                    Why do we not ask the question: Hagler didn't chase greatness?

                    Leonard, Hearn and Duran certainly did.

                    I'm asking not because I think Hagler isn't great, I most certainly do but because we can't use wishy washy criteria like this.
                    Slightly off topic...
                    Hagler almost lost to Duran. Give credit to Duran for trying to force the fight against a bigger man.

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                    • Originally posted by jreckoning View Post
                      Slightly off topic...
                      Hagler almost lost to Duran. Give credit to Duran for trying to force the fight against a bigger man.
                      Duran got testicular fortitude ggg can only dream about

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