Dan Rafael: Ward's team wants GGG this fall

[Scipio2009]

So what? He still fought at 172 instead of 168 and even now is saying he's not sure about 168. A rehydration clause would just be an insurance policy, if it doesn't mean anything to Ward then no problem.



LOL, you're comparing how Ward did at his peak popularity in a hyped up super fight to how Golovkin did vs Rubio. As you say - 3 years ago. Ward hasn't come close to that since. Ward/Dawson had over 1,800 tix given out for free to help bring up attendance. Golovkin sold over 9,000 tix, Ward struggled to give that away in his last fight. Against La Bomba he had less the 4,500 in attendance.




I'm glad you took a stats class and know what a mean is. Even if Ward/Smith peaked a 500-600k (like the tv numbers he did vs Kessler, Abraham, and Froch), that's crap and proof he's not a draw.




All the guys in bold are available, but other than Rameriz HBO's not paying him his $2mill for any of them. Back to taking another $2mill loss for RN. Golovkin can fight N'Dam in October, sell 10,000 seats in MSG, average over 1.3mill tv rating (more than double what Ward will get on BET at the peak), make another $1.5mill from HBO, and make another million plus from selling his fight internationally (as he's been doing for years now).

TITLE BOXER ORGANIZATION COUNTRY
1 OFFICIAL CHALLENGER VACANT
2 CARL FROCH GBR
3 GILBERTO RAMIREZ MEX
4 FELIX STURM GER
5 GEORGE GROVES GBR
6 PATRICK NIELSEN INT DEN
7 VINCENT FEIGENBUTZ GER
8 MAURICIO REYNOSO PER
9 JULIUS JACKSON USA
10 JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR MEX
11 ROGELIO MEDINA MEX
12 HADILLAH MOHOUMADI FRA
13 FRANK BUGLIONI GBR
14 ROCKY FIELDING GBR
15 ISAAC EKPO NIG




Mandalay Bay will probably be close to half-empty, but it's his first time headlining there and he's doing so against an unknown fighter - to be expected. He'll still do more than double the ratings Ward will on BET, he'll still sell more tix than Ward has since Dawson, and people will still care to watch his fights.

Kovalev has options. He might do a rematch in Montreal vs Pascal, maybe Germany vs Brahmer, maybe Russia vs Lepikhin or Chilemba. The fact that he has confidence in himself - he's willing to travel and that gives him options. The fact that he's able to KO his opponents will always give him an audience and networks like HBO will always be happy to buy his fights.


Bottom line - Golovkin & Kovalev don't need Andre Ward. They're exciting fighters who can get decent numbers vs low name fighters. Andre Ward is a boring *ss fighter who just got booted off his own network in HBO and is losing his promoter millions of dollars because he's trying to project himself as a false image of something he's not - an attraction.

-The fact that you don't think Ward could've worked off 5 pounds in 3 weeks (by simply going HAM in the gym) is laughable.

-Ward still brought in over $700k on just under 8k tickets sold, compared to Golovkin bringing in $200k less on 1k more tickets (the fact that you believe that Golovkin comped zero tickets is pretty funny too). Ward brought in a similar audience for Ward-Smith as he did for Ward-Dawson (at generally higher priced tickets), so the gate number will likely be similar.

-Funny how BET's first boxing show ever gets measured to such a degree, but whatever.

-Roc Nation has already paid for 9 slots on BET, and seem committed to backing Ward as they grow their boxing brand on BET if HBO isn't interested. Ward fights one of the names highlighted, draws a massive gate at Oracle Arena or Barclays Center, and still makes $2m against a fighter coming off of win(s), while Golovkin tries to talk people into coming to see him fight N'Dam (a solid fighter, but a guy coming off of a defeat)?

-Kovalev is a road warrior for the simple reason that he doesn't draw any note on his own anywhere; Kovalev-Mohammedi likely doing $200k at the gate (regardless of how many actual tickets get printed) is proof positive of that; so Kovalev being willing to travel to Pacsal's hometown, or Braehmer's hometown for fights is less laudable than you want to push (Kovalev vs Chilemba in Russia, since Lepikhin losing to Chilemba likely pushes him out of the mix, would likely end up with similar local attention to Kovalev-Mohammedi, with HBO putting up half the money to air an afternoon show).

How Kovalev works around the WBO being unwilling to sanction title fights against wba champions, with the IBF title (Beterbiev is due to be next mandatory) and WBA title (Fonfara is due to be the next mandatory) soon to be vacated is beyond me.

Enjoy the can crushing as long as you want; i'll move on to fights that actually have my interest.

[Mr. Philadel]

golovkin ducking ward

its obvious

Stevie Wonder and CJ Ross can even see it....the GGG fans even see it through the hearts they have in their eyes but misplaced pride and suspect upbringings have them acting ****** and NAIVE right now....GGG himself might not have a problem with facing Ward at 168 or any weight for that matter...it's his investors who doesn't want the fight

[Craveman]

Stevie Wonder and CJ Ross can even see it....the GGG fans even see it through the hearts they have in their eyes but misplaced pride and suspect upbringings have them acting ****** and NAIVE right now....GGG himself might not have a problem with facing Ward at 168 or any weight for that matter...it's his investors who doesn't want the fight

Sounds right. TBH I was starting to believe both Ward and Golovkin are ducking each other. It is a bit wierd being a fan of both...

[Numb Digger]

make no mistake! triple duck bumlovekin be swervin andre ward like the plauge! everybody knows ward ends the hype train and folds bumlovekin like a lawnchair!

[Ganondorf]

I hope it happens! Andre Ward by UD.

[nacho daddy]

Easy fight for ward IMO. Fighting cab drivers then going in with ward will be a shock to the system.

mental ward vs GGG at 160 in Russia with points deducted for holding butting elbowing and clinching

[B Phontain]

ward tryna get that p4p number 1 spot.....that would be a good way too do it. The same way no one from 140 to 154 can beat floyd. Ward wants to make it known that nobody from 160 to 175 can beat him. Go for it!

[Larry the boss]

Make it happen

[Jim Jeffries]

ward tryna get that p4p number 1 spot.....that would be a good way too do it. The same way no one from 140 to 154 can beat floyd. Ward wants to make it known that nobody from 160 to 175 can beat him. Go for it!

Key difference being when GGG's team said everyone from 154-168, he's willing to go down to 154 to fight the current linear/WBA/WBC champ, up to 168 to fight guys like Froch and meet the best 168 lber in the world halfway. He a coward doe.

Ward dragged Dawson all the way down to 168 and now he wants to drag GGG all the way up to 168. Totally not a coward doe.

[Build That Wall]

make no mistake! triple duck bumlovekin be swervin andre ward like the plauge! everybody knows ward ends the hype train and folds bumlovekin like a lawnchair!

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