Comments Thread For: PBC on ESPN Averages 799K Viewers, Peaks at 1.1 Million

[Scipio2009]

Who's building stars in 4 months? PBC has only been around 4 months & most of the guys Haymon has signed he's probably done in the last 6 months give or take.

Plus the boxer actually plays into making themselves a star too. 99% of guys won't be stars & its mostly cuz they aren't talented enough. Give PBC some time they have many potential stars, Danny Garcia showed a bunch of promise vs Matthysse (granted he ain't did much since, but he's got potential still), Errol Spence seems assured of becoming a star to one degree or another its just an issue of time, Artur Beterbiev could become one of the biggest things in boxing with a GGG like following if he keeps up his destructive ways, Keith Thurman seems right on the verge of becoming a big deal, Deontay Wilder could prop up the HW division in the US if he's half as capable as his fans believe, Erickson Lubin has been hyped as a future star since his pro debut, Sammy Vazquez could get some Arturo Gatti type following with his gritty fun style & there are probably another half dozen plus guys with under 10 fights who are still to early in their career to really be talked about as future stars vs who they've fought thus far.

There are a ton of potential stars in the Haymon roster, but its more fun for people to just say all the things PBC hasn't accomplished in their short duration of activity than it is to look a little deeper at the reality.

^^^^^^this

[BWC]

I think they can increase ratings if they put on better fights but that just doesn't seem to be the Haymon way, never has been.

I know man. Gosh I hope the PBC fails. If it succeeds we won't get to see amazing fights like Canelo-Kirkland and GGG-Monroe, Jr. Not sure I could deal with that..

[Weebler I]

I know man. Gosh I hope the PBC fails. If it succeeds we won't get to see amazing fights like Canelo-Kirkland and GGG-Monroe, Jr. Not sure I could deal with that..

Is it not okay to expect better from both?

Both channels being shit for boxing match-ups doesn't help anything.

[BWC]

Is it not okay to expect better from both?

Both channels being shit for boxing match-ups doesn't help anything.

The way to do that is frankly bringing as many of the fighters under one umbrella as possible. What causes crappy fights is pi$$ing matches between HBO, PBC, Arum-GB, etc..

[bigdunny1]

comparing PBC boxing to vince mcmahon's XFL???

Yup both new leagues that debuted on NBC prime time and failed/are failing because they are spending too much money yet not getting TV ratings or TV Sponsors. XFL had huge backers and a 2-3 year plan as well. But the money they were losing was higher then expected and forced them to cut bait before ever getting to year 2. People keep saying they paid for TV time for 2 years and have a lot of money behind them, yeah but if they keep dumping money down the tubes with nothing to show for it at some point PBC investors will say enough is enough and end this before their 2 years are up.

[Scipio2009]

But if no advertisers buy in, there is no TV deal. No big name sponsors have stepped up yet, and with under performing ratings, they're likely not going to.

Not sure where you watched the fights, but you should really sit and watch the commercials (I know, today's ADD society makes that torture for some people); the Thurman-Collazo card featured Corona as the title sponsor, but also featured national commercials from some pretty legit companies (Hershey's, TGIFridays, AllState, Honda, Gillette[P&G], the Mission Impossible movie, and at least 3-5 other national companies, before considering the local spots put in (doubt that PG&E ended up pushing a national commercial)).

PBC is competing for that 18-49 set of eyeballs, against the field; this time out, it seems as if NASCAR and the hype behind the McGregor-Aldo(Mendes) PPV won that battle.

PBC gets another shot at those eyeballs on Saturday, on terrestrial TV no less (unsure of what they'll be competing against then), with the next PBC on ESPN card likely facing less competition for the wanted eyeballs.

[The Big Dunn]

They made some good points here about what's wrong with PBC.

http://thaboxingvoice.com/is-haymons-pbc-series-set-for-failure-before-it-begins/41807?var=no

In an era of media that gives us virtual connection at any moment’s notice, why does it feel like this promotion was done with the purpose of exclusivity? The actual commercial was pretentious, but that was a directorial decision, and I understand the idea. But the lack of genuine content over the course of 2-3 months is purposeful, but for what purpose.

The presser was a curious event as well. First, the media list was invite only, which was incredibly ******. I’m not challenging that decision because I wasn’t on the list, I make no mistake in judging my own esteem as a “boxing writer.” I think it was a mistake to make the presser invite only because the best workers on the boxing beat weren’t present. The writers and videographers that make us pay attention to a single event or fighter were missing, which didn’t do the announcement any favors.

All of my points tie into one major point. The biggest issue is the “PBC” brand does not have a face behind it. It is a longstanding tradition for a promotion to have a mainstay fighter or cash cow, just as it is practical business sense for a company to get a top athlete to endorse their product.

“PBC” needs a fighter to hoist its flag the way Pacquiao does Top Rank’s or the way Canelo Alvarez does Golden Boy Promotions.

For “PBC” to become a powerhouse they need to adapt to the current state of boxing, but they can’t forget the tested methods that have worked for decades in the sport

Dude this is from March. it's July. Thurman just did more than Wlad did on ESPN last year. Wilder is fighting on PBC later this year.

They might be trying to implement things like this but you know it takes a while to develop a name fighter.

Its as if PBC has to have all of this right now.

[sicko]

So, anyway, Pacquiao is fighting exactly how I would expect someone to fight with a rotator cuff injury like mine.

— Nicole Duva (@nicoleduva) May 10, 2015

To be fair to Nicole, I can understand why she hates PBC and anybody that is associated to it. Kathy Duva is her mother and Al Haymon deal with NBC basically put her out of business. She has basically been reduced to just Kovalev Manager who is Leasing him to HBO

[Weebler I]

The way to do that is frankly bringing as many of the fighters under one umbrella as possible. What causes crappy fights is pi$$ing matches between HBO, PBC, Arum-GB, etc..

I'd be all for that if I felt that the person in charge would put the best guys against each other.

Can you hand on heart say you believe that is going to happen under PBC? I'm just looking at the match-ups and see little indication of it.

I mean, what is this?

@steveucnlive August 15,PBC in Montréal on NBC Sports.Lucian Bute vs Andrea Di Luisa and Eleider Alvarez vs Isidro Ranoni Prieto

— Carl Mitton Marchand (@cmm30) July 14, 2015

[bigjavi973]

Yup both new leagues that debuted on NBC prime time and failed/are failing because they are spending too much money yet not getting TV ratings or TV Sponsors. XFL had huge backers and a 2-3 year plan as well. But the money they were losing was higher then expected and forced them to cut bait before ever getting to year 2. People keep saying they paid for TV time for 2 years and have a lot of money behind them, yeah but if they keep dumping money down the tubes with nothing to show for it at some point PBC investors will say enough is enough and end this before their 2 years are up.

o...k..... Exactly what did vince mcmahon know about football??? BTW it isn't the 1st time someone tried to start a football league only to get stomped out by the NFL.

Haymon knows more about boxing than mcmahon knew about football. The only thing that I liked about the XFL was that they were allowed to use nicknames on their jerseys... my fav was "he hate me"... but in the nfl that dude ****** bad.