Supermiddle Weight isn't That Deep of a Division

[soul_survivor]

People have ****ting on the Middleweight division because one fighter that don't like is head and shoulders better than everyone else.

These same people pretend Super Middle weight is some deep division but it simply isn't.

And it wasn't 5 years ago when Ward won the Super Six. Just cause you put a bunch of guys in a tourney doesn't mean it's a great division. Good but not great.

Three of the Super Six members didn't even fight in the division.

Froch is tough but lets be honest he's a B fighter at best. Abraham was ranked top ten after one fight against an unranked fighter. Kessler was dominated by Calzaghe. Ward was a nobody and Dirrel beat nobody.

And now Abraham is #1 in the division and still has only beaten one ranked fighter in the division.

SMW world level fighters in the division (counting top 5):

Froch (if not retired)
Groves
DeGale
Ward
Abraham

MW world level fighters in the division (counting top 5):

GGG
Cotto
Quillin
Lemeuix
Ndam/Macklin/Geale

Which looks better?

[rajaomair]

People have ****ting on the Middleweight division because one fighter that don't like is head and shoulders better than everyone else.

These same people pretend Super Middle weight is some deep division but it simply isn't.

And it wasn't 5 years ago when Ward won the Super Six. Just cause you put a bunch of guys in a tourney doesn't mean it's a great division. Good but not great.

Three of the Super Six members didn't even fight in the division.

Froch is tough but lets be honest he's a B fighter at best. Abraham was ranked top ten after one fight against an unranked fighter. Kessler was dominated by Calzaghe. Ward was a nobody and Dirrel beat nobody.

And now Abraham is #1 in the division and still has only beaten one ranked fighter in the division.

I agree 100%. The reason for hating MW is that they hate the guy who is ruling MW with an iron fist.

Would be a different story if GGG was black.

[Robbie Barrett]

People have ****ting on the Middleweight division because one fighter that don't like is head and shoulders better than everyone else.

These same people pretend Super Middle weight is some deep division but it simply isn't.

And it wasn't 5 years ago when Ward won the Super Six. Just cause you put a bunch of guys in a tourney doesn't mean it's a great division. Good but not great.

Three of the Super Six members didn't even fight in the division.

Froch is tough but lets be honest he's a B fighter at best. Abraham was ranked top ten after one fight against an unranked fighter. Kessler was dominated by Calzaghe. Ward was a nobody and Dirrel beat nobody.

And now Abraham is #1 in the division and still has only beaten one ranked fighter in the division.

Top MW's moved up to SMW degrading the quality of MW. Interesting that you choose Abraham to discredit SMW when he was viewed as a beast at MW, kinda like Golovkin.

[Juof]

Middleweight, super middle and light heavy are pretty weak atm. Though there are still alot of fights at 168 that can take place

[NEETzsche]

middleweight would actually be a good division if only the tops guys would fight each other

top 15 p4p fighters
middle: golovkin, cotto and alvarez
super middle: ward

titlists
middle: lemieux, lee
super middle: abraham, degale, jack

top contenders
middle: n'dam, quillin, saunders, jacobs, soliman
super middle: groves, stieglitz, chudinov, dirrell x2

up-n-comers
middle: eubank jr, magomedov, murata, wade
super middle: ramirez, hart, smith, fielding

other notables
middle: geale, heiland, johnson, monroe jr, mora
super middle: rebrasse, edwards, neilson, sturm, medina

i tried not to include fighters who are unlikely to fight in the division again, e.g. murray at middle and froch super middle. i realise that the 'up-n-comer' sections may be missing some

[Eastcoast]

SMW is a very divided division. There's the German's doing their thing, then Haymon's fighters doing their thing, and the UK guys doing their thing. Outside of that it's pretty much a waste land. TR has their two young guys in Rameriz & Hart and then there's Ward all by himself.

Same time MW has a surge of hot prospects coming up. Douglass, Magomedov, Khytrov, Derevyanchenko, Wade, Eubank, Ogogo, Murata, & Soro all look good. Outside of Quillin & Jacobs, I don't see any of the current MW's moving up to SMW, where there are some big JMW's who are getting older and likely will be moving up.

Top MW's moved up to SMW degrading the quality of MW. Interesting that you choose Abraham to discredit SMW when he was viewed as a beast at MW, kinda like Golovkin.

Golovkin and Abraham aren't even comparable. Abraham had a lot of struggles at MW vs mediocre opposition. Guys like Gevor and Ayala were arguably winning their fights when Abraham pulled out a late KO. Other guys like Shannon Taylor and Lajuan Simon were able to hang around all night without offering much resistance.

[Box-Office]

Worlds and Olympics are the same thing. Korobov was the better amateur fighter, and it's not even up for debate.

Winning the World Amateurs or a medal gets you qualified for Olympics.

They clearly are not the same when one is used as a stepping stone for the other.

p.s. I don't agree with the premise of using amateur credentials to call one division better than the other.

[anonymous2.0]

Add LHW to the list of not very deep weight classes. Once Stevenson and Kovalev fight and if Beterbiev gets the winner of that fight there's really no big matchup or challenge to make at LHW.

[AKAcronym]

Funny to see people use amateur credentials to defend their own argument, yet **** on it whenever someone else uses it. Inconsistent ****s.

[hhs661]

SMW is crap also. DeGale is currently 2nd best and he's completely gassed by 6 rounds without much activity beforehand. Please don't try to polish that turd.

Eh. you're entitled to that opinion. However one of the best middleweights is moving up so we'll see how he fares in that division. That'll at least give us a little idea if it's as bad as 160 or not