what was it about Margarito that made some of you think he was a threat to beat Money

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  • WesternChamp
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    #201
    Originally posted by therealpugilist
    He'd get outpointed

    He is not very skilled n even an old Mosley had footwork he couldn't cut off


    You guys just hoped somebody beat mayweather lol

    They never fought but he sure spanked Margo's three daddies
    yeah, floyd would beat him. im not saying marg is gonna win. im saying marg WOULD have given floyd more problems than oscar because of the style. im not sure why some of yall is making it out like im saying marg will beat floyd.

    im not saying that. im just saying it would have been a hard fought fight for floyd. marg has a great chin, great stamina. this is a nightmare for floyd. floyd would have to be on the move for all 12 rounds since he wont be able to hurt margarito.

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    • therealpugilist
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      #202
      Originally posted by Elroy The Great
      ''but but, maidana, doe.''
      ~delusional margie fan

      whats wrong with them ???
      Margarito doesn't even roll shots like maidana, nor does he throw unorthodox shots like him....maidana even had a good jab. He could actually box a bit and ****


      Maidana is pretty unpredictable, everyone he fought took time to figure him out....margarito is front foot heavy and conventional...2 different styles

      Also maidana cut off the ring better n was quicker of foot n hand


      All they see is "he bigger doe, throw lots of punches doe"

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      • therealpugilist
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        #203
        Originally posted by WesternChamp
        yeah, floyd would beat him. im not saying marg is gonna win. im saying marg WOULD have given floyd more problems than oscar because of the style. im not sure why some of yall is making it out like im saying marg will beat floyd.

        im not saying that. im just saying it would have been a hard fought fight for floyd. marg has a great chin, great stamina. this is a nightmare for floyd. floyd would have to be on the move for all 12 rounds since he wont be able to hurt margarito.
        Hatton applied pressure but had foot speed and tenacity

        Jose Luis Castillo applied educated pressure and fought behind a jab, parried, countered and was rough. One of the best in recent history vs boxers....beat casamayor n Stevie johnston...a younger prime Julio Diaz

        Maidana used unconventional head movement , punches, high pressure, and a good jab


        The problem is Margo didn't have the foot speed of hatton....didn't have the skill set Castillo had and was unorthodox with a goof jab like maidana


        He'd probably get sympathy rounds like canelo, and others get. Well he didn't get dominated I can give Margo that round

        I don't think it would've been competitive

        Dude was basic, tough, with size....lost to every elite he Beat

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        • Big_L
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          #204
          He had zero chance of beating Floyd. But Floyd did duck.

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            #205
            Originally posted by therealpugilist
            Hatton applied pressure but had foot speed and tenacity

            Jose Luis Castillo applied educated pressure and fought behind a jab, parried, countered and was rough. One of the best in recent history vs boxers....beat casamayor n Stevie johnston...a younger prime Julio Diaz

            Maidana used unconventional head movement , punches, high pressure, and a good jab


            The problem is Margo didn't have the foot speed of hatton....didn't have the skill set Castillo had and was unorthodox with a goof jab like maidana


            He'd probably get sympathy rounds like canelo, and others get. Well he didn't get dominated I can give Margo that round

            I don't think it would've been competitive

            Dude was basic, tough, with size....lost to every elite he Beat
            how tall is hatton compare to marg?? and hatton did give floyd some problems early on in the fight, and this is hatton LOL. a lot of people thought castillo beat floyd the first time. this is why marg would give floyd more problems. the constant attack throwing 100+ punches per round. add the height advantage and its a night mare for floyd.

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              #206
              Originally posted by therealpugilist
              Here is the break down you wanted


              Margarito has trouble cutting off the ring watch his fights vs Williams, Santos , Manny, cotto, Mosley.

              Mayweather has Bette footwork and is quicker than all of them

              Margo has no head movement. Which is why even Mosley, who isn't know for the jab constantly peppered him with straight shots, as did cotto, Williams....may weather had the sharpest straight rights out of the punch and his jab to the head and liver would keep him honest


              Add the fact he was the best counterpuncher of his generation

              Also add he was the most elusive best defense


              Margo throws conventional punches and he doesn't vary the speed of his jab nor trajectory.... He'll be getting countered all night and turned every which way swinging @ air.....what will surprise him mayweather has a great inside game and body shots. He'd stay there long enough to land his counters, catch shoot then outta there


              Margo would land 20% or less...dude isn't accurate as a Castillo or as skilled so that whole comparison is waaay of. Castillo actually uses various defensive skills, rolls and parries shots, counters, could fight inside n out. Margo fights one way and is predictable

              Margo just plods forward never changes his game plan or combinations.....UD mayweather
              You're kidding right? Pacquiao and PW plants their feet and throws punches in bunches to keep Margarito off of them. That's how they beat Margarito, and you are comparing also to Mosley, whose power is one of the hardest in recent times. Literally your comparison is already off. Which is why I don't take that break down seriously. Margo didn't cut off the ring against Pacquiao and PW and Shane Mosley because they don't have to, they were in front of them to smother his face with non stop shots. And one thing you are forgetting is that they have all forms of power with quick hands, Floyd is quick handed but has no power. Your comparison is horrible.

              Floyd Mayweather doesn't do anything that they would do because he would back off to potshot and try to gain distance which would play right into Margarito's hands because of Margo's ability to cut off the ring when the opponent is on the back foot and corner him to unleash flurries and body shots, Floyd may dodge a lot of his shots, but throwing 120 punches per round, the chances are those would get into his head and body and that would play a factor later into the fight. Floyd would easily get the early rounds and middle rounds, but in the mid to late rounds he has to dig deep he has no power to slow margarito down. You forgot that Manny, PW, and Mosley pushed Margarito back instead of being on the backfoot. Floyd wouldn't do that against Margarito.

              Your breakdown is horrible. Because it assumes that Floyd has massive power to keep stop him in his stracks and would be able to push him back to keep him on the center of the ring.
              Last edited by Thraxox; 03-09-2017, 10:02 AM.

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              • Thraxox
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                #207
                Originally posted by Elroy The Great
                what other factors ?
                Size, Ability to cut off the ring, Power, unrelenting pressure, granite chin, non stop body attack, reach, stamina, non stop upper cuts, 120 punches per round. THOSE FACTORS. Margo maybe slow, but sooner or later he is going to close in on you.

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                • Elroy The Great
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                  #208
                  Originally posted by therealpugilist
                  Margarito doesn't even roll shots like maidana, nor does he throw unorthodox shots like him....maidana even had a good jab. He could actually box a bit and ****


                  Maidana is pretty unpredictable, everyone he fought took time to figure him out....margarito is front foot heavy and conventional...2 different styles

                  Also maidana cut off the ring better n was quicker of foot n hand


                  All they see is "he bigger doe, throw lots of punches doe"
                  and a better work rate. that would have been an interesting fight where id see dana get the ud.

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                  • bojangles1987
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                    #209
                    His size, style, and chin could have been a nightmare for Mayweather. He was so long and so active and could walk through Mayweather's power, so Mayweather would need to be at the top of his game to move and confuse Margarito.

                    It's been proven time and time again that the best way to challenge Floyd in the ring is size and pressure, and Margarito had that in spades. Yeah, he had problems with much worse fighters. Marcos Maidana lost badly to Devon Alexander, but what did that matter when he got in the ring with Mayweather?

                    I'm not saying Margarito definitely beats Mayweather, but I think he would have been a tough challenge. I think Floyd knew it, too, because Margarito is the one guy you can make a serious case that he ducked.

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                    • j0zef
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                      #210
                      Size. That's about all he had. Floyd was not a KO machine at WW so the chin made no difference.

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