Comments Thread For: Erislandy Lara Ready, Wants Gennady Golovkin Next

[New England]

Answer: triangle. Question: what are theories that do not work.

Never did I post GGG would struggle with Lara's style. Please stop making things up and responding rather than responding to what was posted. I said its possible, but not likely, he could lose that way.


GGG isn't scary, he's an opportunist that fights low caliber opponents when he doesn't get the fights he wants. Lara, Ward and others are willing to fight him even though some top names are not.

I agree with your opinion about what style GGG would have the toughest time with. That said, if it takes all that time to judge styles, why are you wasting type pontificating on what style you think is most difficult for GGG? you've had the same amount of time as me.

the fact remains that Lara seems willing to fight GGG (purse request is a lil high) and GGG has no opponent. Seems doable at this time.

i have not seen anything concrete regarding how much money lara wants. the "rumor" is three million. that's a PPV purse nearly on its own. if lara took willie money [500K, iirc. the other kid took 3 i believe,] this fight would be made in an hour. we can't sit here while a guy sits at 154 lbs and demands a ton of money and blame the 160 lber for not fighting him. that a bunch of bsceners are scared of gennady golovkin and want to see him lose, and think lara is the guy based one some kind of irrational favoritism, isn't enough to make not fighting lara a duck .

if you want to blame golovkin for not having top names on his resume, blame the top names, virutally every top MW of the last 3-4 years, who have blatantly ducked him.

if lara really wants to fight golovkin he can take a very easy rout: move to 160 lbs. golovkin's pretty obviously chasing alphabet belts. get in line for a mandatory shot and take the fight. if he's as good as his fanboys seem to think, that is not an issue.


in reality lara's fanboys know the deal, lara's a skilled fighter, but he's just not that good when it comes down to actually winning the fights. he does very little to distance himself, so much so that he arguably lost to carlos freaking molina [no joke, you can easily score that fight for molina if you can stay awake. try it.] almost lost to angulo. drew with vanes. lost to canleo. you get the idea. he's overrated because of an irrational fear of gennagy golovkin, the new boogeyman for a lot of different people.

[New England]

I agree with you there.....There arent many people capable of backing him up at 160....not many reputed punchers or iron chinned swarmers.

160 has a lot of feather fisted guys


personally I'd like to see Golvkin fight Lara...its better than the Rosado's and Monroes of the world

i agree with this, but you all seem to place blame on golovkin for the fight not happening. at least you seem to be implying it. the same way it is somehow golovkin's fault for being the most avoided fighter of the last 10 years.

it's very obviously lara's fault that this fight isn't happening:

A: dude isn't at MW. doesn't campaign for MW titles, which is what team golovkin, rightfully or otherwise, have in sight. campaign at MW and get in line for a belt if you're serious.

B: dude appears to want a lot of money

C: dude really isn't as good as a lot of peopel seem to think he is.

[therealpugilist]

I would too. Would like to see how GGG handles a hit and run fighter like Lara. It would be interesting to see if he could cut off the ring with someone of Lara's caliber. Don't see this fight happening as much as I would like to see it. Beating down Lara would only add to GGG list of "unworthy" contenders. Lara is great but IMHO would be no match for GGGs power. Until he fights someone "acceptable" by the discriminating boxing public and/or promoters he'll be labeled as a champion who "hasn't fought anybody yet."

fighting a world champion couldnt be a bad thing...no one has ever cearly beaten Lara.

That would be a feather in GGG's cap to have completely obliterated Lara who is a tough out for everyone at 154 maybe even 160

[therealpugilist]

i agree with this, but you all seem to place blame on golovkin for the fight not happening. at least you seem to be implying it. the same way it is somehow golovkin's fault for being the most avoided fighter of the last 10 years.

it's very obviously lara's fault that this fight isn't happening:

A: dude isn't at MW. doesn't campaign for MW titles, which is what team golovkin, rightfully or otherwise, have in sight. campaign at MW and get in line for a belt if you're serious.

B: dude appears to want a lot of money

C: dude really isn't as good as a lot of peopel seem to think he is.

A) who cares..there have been plenty of guys who campaigned at 154 who fought for titles at 160. He already has 2 belts that he didnt even fight for so it doesnt make a difference. Wade wasnt a legit contender but he fought him. Lara is flat out better

b)who wouldnt want a lot of money...boxing is their job...its called prizefighting for a reason. They are paying no names pretty good so you would expect them to know they will have to come out of pocket for upper echelon fighters

c) whether he is or isnt is a matter of opinon...what we do know is lara is a world champion at 154 and he poses a bigger threat than a lot of the guys ggg regularly fights

[The Big Dunn]

i have not seen anything concrete regarding how much money lara wants. the "rumor" is three million. that's a PPV purse nearly on its own. if lara took willie money [500K, iirc. the other kid took 3 i believe,] this fight would be made in an hour. we can't sit here while a guy sits at 154 lbs and demands a ton of money and blame the 160 lber for not fighting him. that a bunch of bsceners are scared of gennady golovkin and want to see him lose, and think lara is the guy based one some kind of irrational favoritism, isn't enough to make not fighting lara a duck .

if you want to blame golovkin for not having top names on his resume, blame the top names, virutally every top MW of the last 3-4 years, who have blatantly ducked him.

if lara really wants to fight golovkin he can take a very easy rout: move to 160 lbs. golovkin's pretty obviously chasing alphabet belts. get in line for a mandatory shot and take the fight. if he's as good as his fanboys seem to think, that is not an issue.


in reality lara's fanboys know the deal, lara's a skilled fighter, but he's just not that good when it comes down to actually winning the fights. he does very little to distance himself, so much so that he arguably lost to carlos freaking molina [no joke, you can easily score that fight for molina if you can stay awake. try it.] almost lost to angulo. drew with vanes. lost to canleo. you get the idea. he's overrated because of an irrational fear of gennagy golovkin, the new boogeyman for a lot of different people.

he isn't demanding a ton of money. he is asking for the same $3 mil team GGG offered to BJS. IMO its too high but team GGG set the bar this high. I have never posted he is ducking Lara.

No one blames GGG for not getting Canelo, cotto or Sergio other than his taking step aside money. He is to blame for the crap opponents selected after he is avoided.

WHy does he have to move to 160? when has this become a requirement to get a fight? I wish the GGG ****bag fans would stop trying to invent BS criteria to absolve GGG of blame if he selects another crap opponent.

[New England]

A) who cares..there have been plenty of guys who campaigned at 154 who fought for titles at 160. He already has 2 belts that he didnt even fight for so it doesnt make a difference. Wade wasnt a legit contender but he fought him. Lara is flat out better

b)who wouldnt want a lot of money...boxing is their job...its called prizefighting for a reason. They are paying no names pretty good so you would expect them to know they will have to come out of pocket for upper echelon fighters

c) whether he is or isnt is a matter of opinon...what we do know is lara is a world champion at 154 and he poses a bigger threat than a lot of the guys ggg regularly fights

golovkin has fought 6 top 10 guys at 160 in the last 5 years. you think lara is a more deserving fighter? why? the guy hasn't fought at 160 in his life. yes, great 154 lbers have moved up and beaten 160 lbers. some have even earned those shots from their work at 154. has lara? draw with molina? carlos f#cking molina? looking like crap against smith. draw with vanes. HE LOST TEH CANLEO FIGHT!. what criteria do you hold for lara to be some kind of pound for pounder? golovkin is a p4p on anybody's list, and in a lot of top 3's.

lara isn't some kind of p4p fighter that can transcend the weight classes. he's not "upper echelon." tell me why you think he's upper echelon? he's had a shot to get there, and he blew it.

yes, hes' better than wade. golovkin fought wade because he took very little money and because golovkin was avoided by cotto, martinez, alvarez, quillin, jacobs, the list goes on.

[New England]

he isn't demanding a ton of money. he is asking for the same $3 mil team GGG offered to BJS. IMO its too high but team GGG set the bar this high. I have never posted he is ducking Lara.

No one blames GGG for not getting Canelo, cotto or Sergio other than his taking step aside money. He is to blame for the crap opponents selected after he is avoided.

WHy does he have to move to 160? when has this become a requirement to get a fight? I wish the GGG ****bag fans would stop trying to invent BS criteria to absolve GGG of blame if he selects another crap opponent.

on moving to 160:
why hasn't he? he wants the golovkin fight, right? you don't get it hiding out at 154


by all accounts boxing is very big and generating a lot of revenue in the UK. saunders also has a belt, IIRC. what does lara bring, other than thw 15 guys who overrate him on bscene and think he has a shot against gennady golovkin?



i don't nee to absolve GGG of anyhting. he's the avoided fighter. you don't blame the guy being ducked! well, you do acutally . when the same 15 guys who were in a 6 year war with pacquiao fans keep showing up in threads toting the party line, you don't nbed to be a genius to see what is going on. you have an agenda if you don't focus on teh duckers, and focus on the guy being ducked for his lacking opposition. that's just so f#cking backwards, and truly it's just pathetic.


his resume is a patwork of the guys who grew a sack and fought him, and it's gotten him on the poiund for point list. that's not his fault. and neither are his opponents when he's being ducked by all of the worthy challengers.


"golovkin gets ducked by fighter A"

"golovkin takes a fight with fighter b."

"golovkin cherrypicked fighter B."


no, golovkin tried to cherrypick the best fighters in at MW in teh past 5 years, and got blatantly ducked. cotto straight up refused. canelo created a weight class. lou dibella basically said, "martinez doesn't need to fight a puncher liek that when he can make more money fighting miguel cotto, a former welterweight."

[therealpugilist]

golovkin has fought 6 top 10 guys at 160 in the last 5 years. you think lara is a more deserving fighter? why? the guy hasn't fought at 160 in his life. yes, great 154 lbers have moved up and beaten 160 lbers. some have even earned those shots from their work at 154. has lara? draw with molina? carlos f#cking molina? looking like crap against smith. draw with vanes. HE LOST TEH CANLEO FIGHT!. what criteria do you hold for lara to be some kind of pound for pounder? golovkin is a p4p on anybody's list, and in a lot of top 3's.

lara isn't some kind of p4p fighter that can transcend the weight classes. he's not "upper echelon." tell me why you think he's upper echelon? he's had a shot to get there, and he blew it.

yes, hes' better than wade. golovkin fought wade because he took very little money and because golovkin was avoided by cotto, martinez, alvarez, quillin, jacobs, the list goes on.

why are you upset....Lara would be a good opponent.

did mayweather do anything at lightweight before he fought Castillo? no

did Hopkins do anything at 175 before he got a shot? no


its called being willing to take a risk

if ggg is as ducked as you guys claim, you should be happy that someone who is a champion in his own right, near his division, wants to fight him.

Rosado was a junior middleweight and fought GGG....Ouma was a washed up former 154 champion, GGG fought him

Monroe, Adama, wade were never wases.


Fighting lara would pit two often avoided world champions in the ring together...whats not to like?

[therealpugilist]

he isn't demanding a ton of money. he is asking for the same $3 mil team GGG offered to BJS. IMO its too high but team GGG set the bar this high. I have never posted he is ducking Lara.

No one blames GGG for not getting Canelo, cotto or Sergio other than his taking step aside money. He is to blame for the crap opponents selected after he is avoided.

WHy does he have to move to 160? when has this become a requirement to get a fight? I wish the GGG ****bag fans would stop trying to invent BS criteria to absolve GGG of blame if he selects another crap opponent.

i'll be happy when they admit that they dont care about his level of opposition as long as he scores a knockout.

this guy isnt as ducked as they try to make it out to be. Either they are getting so called ducked or the opponent is supposedly pricing themselves out. In the end...it will be some no name they will defend.


We'll end up having to google his next opponent...just like wade...and they'll say "they ducking doe" even though there are decent to good fighters who want to fight GGG

[The Big Dunn]

on moving to 160:
why hasn't he? he wants the golovkin fight, right? you don't get it hiding out at 154


by all accounts boxing is very big and generating a lot of revenue in the UK. saunders also has a belt, IIRC. what does lara bring, other than thw 15 guys who overrate him on bscene and think he has a shot against gennady golovkin?



i don't nee to absolve GGG of anyhting. he's the avoided fighter. you don't blame the guy being ducked! well, you do acutally . when the same 15 guys who were in a 6 year war with pacquiao fans keep showing up in threads toting the party line, you don't nbed to be a genius to see what is going on. you have an agenda if you don't focus on teh duckers, and focus on the guy being ducked for his lacking opposition. that's just so f#cking backwards, and truly it's just pathetic.


his resume is a patwork of the guys who grew a sack and fought him, and it's gotten him on the poiund for point list. that's not his fault. and neither are his opponents when he's being ducked by all of the worthy challengers.


"golovkin gets ducked by fighter A"

"golovkin takes a fight with fighter b."

"golovkin cherrypicked fighter B."


no, golovkin tried to cherrypick the best fighters in at MW in teh past 5 years, and got blatantly ducked. cotto straight up refused. canelo created a weight class. lou dibella basically said, "martinez doesn't need to fight a puncher liek that when he can make more money fighting miguel cotto, a former welterweight."

GGG wanted to fight floyd, did you ask him to move to 154? of course not. STop the BS!

BJS did not desreve that high an offer. Lara doesn't deserve that high a purse. That said, I don't think its odd that he and his teams starting point was the same figure BJS was offered.

I don't blame GGG for being avoided, just for his choices afterwards. They are mutually exclusive. Canelo refuses GGG, blame Canelo. GGG doesn't offer Lara and fights another bum once Canelo turns him down, that is on him. How you or any rational human being doesn't understand that is beyond me.

The problem is GGG is in the same boat Floyd was in-he keeps getting turned down for a fight. The difference is Floyd was blamed when Manny turned the fight down. Now you and others have shifted and are no longer blaming the offer or whatever other BS you clowns created. Now its simply blame the guys that turned down GGG, which frankly is what you should have done when Manny refused to fight. Why the change? I have some ideas but that is for another debate.

His being on the p4p list has no bearing on this discussion. I never used the word cherrypicked. Once again you make things up and then discuss them as a way to deflect from the point made.

edit: if he has been ducked, it isn't by Lara or Ward, 2 guys he doesn't seem keen on fighting. while no one can credibly refute the point he has been avoided and ducked, lets stop pretending he desperately seeking opposition as you and the rest of his ****bag fans pretend.