Comments Thread For: Hopkins Rips Philly For Racially Motivated Disrespect

[Beater_of_ass]

What in this article would lead you to claim that Hopkins is a racist? Please point out the racist comment.

Why does the article need to say anything racist? There's a lot more to Bhop than this 3 minute snippet of his life.

[Bigg Rigg]

Only poor people can be racist...... Lmfao

[Ravens Fan]

Most people, including white boxing fans, believed that Hopkins did indeed beat Joe. So your post isn't really warranted.

The only thing wrong with the scoring of the Calzaghe-Bhop fight is that it wasn't scored a unanimous decision for Joe.

[Scott9945]

Most people, including white boxing fans, believed that Hopkins did indeed beat Joe. So your post isn't really warranted.

No, most people don't think that. Put up a poll if you need convincing.

[Ravens Fan]

Where were the good cops when u were getting pummeled by 5 or more bad ones ? look , are all cops bad = No ! And I never said they were . What u imply from my statements is self-implyed . What I am implying is that is that the bad ones seem to outweigh the good ones and by bad ones I also do mean those who watch the bad ones conduct while they say nothing and do nothing . You mean to tell me u watched this girl getting manhandled , braids pulled , slammed to the ground , gun pulled , knees in her back while the other 12 cops watched , and all u can do is scour the video for ANY possible lukewarm sign that the other 12 cops all weren't complicit ? And all u can come up with is a gentle hand warmly placed on the maniac cops shoulder ? Really ??? Do u realize how ridiculous u sound ?

And why the f..k do u keep bringing up White people who have been killed by police ? Did I ever say cops don't kill whites ? No I didn't , but what I did say is that ********** are racially targeted more and r killed more . The race issue is only an issue for me as long as people of color are disproportionately targets of police genocide and the prison industrial complex which they undoubtedly are , and whites like yourself sit around trying to find excuses for it

That's why I told u that the only way to work is to work together hand and hand , but that's hard to accomplish because people like yourself are to overly concerned about stepping on the toes of the few "Good Cops" sprinkled around here and there . If the people (black , white and otherwise) did start a movement against the police policy in this country , the GOOD cops would most likely join anyway because they will naturally speak out as they r also tired of the criminal activities of their peers .

And stop trying to make me out to be a racebaiter for crying out loud ! I bring it up because because racism is systemic at the highest levels of gov but make no mistake about it ; I FOLLOW ALL PEOPLE WHO DO GODS WORK , BLACK , WHITE OR OTHERWISE ! Like brother Bill Tomes (white male) who's worked with rival gang factions in Chicago and would walk through shoot outs to stop them from shooting each other ! They would automatically stop shooting when he did this because LOVE is infectious . He befriended all the different gangs . Also other great white men who stand up and champion the cause for truth like Gary Webb who took on the CIA and lost his life for it !

So in closing ; cops get their orders and prioritization's from the higher ups , and since the racism is most rampant at the higher levels of the society itself this means that orders passed down to your average cop (who usually blindly follows them) are molded in racist dye . But PLEASE don't take my word for it , rather , since its so hard for u to believe that most of what your seeing is a race issues trickled down to your average beat walking cop then care enough to watch only minutes 25 through 28 of this video .

http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/apple/v...7p67Nvj1tev2P2

Where were the good cops the day I got assaulted, I don't know possibly at the Dunkin Donuts down the street? Not that I find what happened to me to be amusing but humor sure does beat hate anyday.

But, none of that matters because I still refuse to lump all police officers together because I happened to run into a couple of bad ones. And it has nothing to do with that psycho babble horse5hit you mentioned. I actually attribute it more so to common sense than anything else.

As for the cops killing whites I also never stated that cops shooting blacks wasn't a serious issue. I was only pointing out how that when blacks get shot it just seems to garner more attention.

I will put it this way, if you asked 100 random folks of any race who Freddie Gray was I bet most if not all of them would know who he was. And if you asked the same 100 people who Kelly Thomas happened to be I wouldn't be surprised if none of them knew who he was. They probably say that "she" was a host on a game show. And I bet that before today that you didn't even know who he was, did you? I simply believe that there is something fundamentally wrong about that.

As far as the Texas pool party is concerned I have to ask you did you watch the entire seven minute video? Because I did and this what I saw.

You see exactly three of the 12 police officers that were on the scene. You see two that step into the view for a short period of time and then they run off and are gone until they come back into view with a handcuffed male when the video is almost over. The only other one, besides the knucklehead star of the show, that you hear speak is nothing but polite to the three or so young black men he is talking with. And what is my point to all this? I will tell you.

You simply don't see the other nine officers at all. So how can you possibly know what they were or were not doing? The answer is that you don't know. Now, you are free to speculate all you want but the eyewitness accounts of what happened contradicts what you claim happened. And who were the eyewitnesses?

That would be the black father that I quoted earlier. That would also be the eyewitness account of a black resident by the name of Benet Embry. He sated on a CNN news report that, and I am paraphrasing, the police were not out of line and the whole event was blown way way out of proportion.

Even the cousin, not sure of the name, of the young lady that had the party stated that it was blown way out of proportion. The young man even went as far as saying on CNN that he didn't believe that it was racially motivated.

But, I bet you will somehow still try to lump all of them cops together as the racist thugs that you perceive them to be. When in reality that is not what happened and so far the evidence supports that.

As far as what you said about racist cops taking orders from above let us focus on one police force. Lets see which one? Oh, since you seem so fond of them and since you obviously already have an opinion of the "dirty" Baltimore Police Department why not focus on that one.

What was it that you said racism starts at the top and works its way down to the average cop? Okay, then what is at the top in Baltimore? Well, lets see the Mayor is black the police commissioner is also black. So, are they the rampant racist at the top that you were speaking of? And who are the average racist cops that are actually taking the orders?

Lets, see as of 2014 there were 3080 police personnel within the Baltimore City Police Department. Of that 3080 somewhere around 50% are black. So are they also taking the racist orders that come form the black leadership at the top or is it only the white officers that take the racist orders from the black leaders? Can you help to clarify that for me?

Wait, I thought there are many that claim that blacks cannot be racist so how is it possible for them to give racist orders or make policy that is deemed to be racist? As far as me calling you a race baiter I still stand by that statement and this is why.

First off, you play the race card all of the time. You play it so many times that I bet that sometimes you forget that this is even a boxing forum. And secondly, I believe you are a race baiter because you simply stretch events to fit you agenda, and that is what race baiters do. Finally, I believe you are a race baiter because you labeled me a racist only because I don't agree with you.

With that said I challenge anyone to read everything that I have stated and produce evidence that would convince any reasonable person that I am in fact a racist.

I also clicked onto the link that you provided because I really was going to watch it. But I have to polity decline. Simply because I am not interested in anything that Louis Farrakhan has to say. Just as I am not interested in what the leaders of the Aryan Brotherhood or the Klan have to say. Simply because I believe that they are all hateful racist.

In closing I will admit that the fact that you wanted me to listen Farrakhan helps me understand were you are coming from and what forms you ideas and opinions. Because honestly you do seem rather angry.

[richardt]

Where were the good cops the day I got assaulted, I don't know possibly at the Dunkin Donuts down the street? Not that I find what happened to me to be amusing but humor sure does beat hate anyday.

But, none of that matters because I still refuse to lump all police officers together because I happened to run into a couple of bad ones. And it has nothing to do with that psycho babble horse5hit you mentioned. I actually attribute it more so to common sense than anything else.

As for the cops killing whites I also never stated that cops shooting blacks wasn't a serious issue. I was only pointing out how that when blacks get shot it just seems to garner more attention.

I will put it this way, if you asked 100 random folks of any race who Freddie Gray was I bet most if not all of them would know who he was. And if you asked the same 100 people who Kelly Thomas happened to be I wouldn't be surprised if none of them knew who he was. They probably say that "she" was a host on a game show. And I bet that before today that you didn't even know who he was, did you? I simply believe that there is something fundamentally wrong about that.

As far as the Texas pool party is concerned I have to ask you did you watch the entire seven minute video? Because I did and this what I saw.

You see exactly three of the 12 police officers that were on the scene. You see two that step into the view for a short period of time and then they run off and are gone until they come back into view with a handcuffed male when the video is almost over. The only other one, besides the knucklehead star of the show, that you hear speak is nothing but polite to the three or so young black men he is talking with. And what is my point to all this? I will tell you.

You simply don't see the other nine officers at all. So how can you possibly know what they were or were not doing? The answer is that you don't know. Now, you are free to speculate all you want but the eyewitness accounts of what happened contradicts what you claim happened. And who were the eyewitnesses?

That would be the black father that I quoted earlier. That would also be the eyewitness account of a black resident by the name of Benet Embry. He sated on a CNN news report that, and I am paraphrasing, the police were not out of line and the whole event was blown way way out of proportion.

Even the cousin, not sure of the name, of the young lady that had the party stated that it was blown way out of proportion. The young man even went as far as saying on CNN that he didn't believe that it was racially motivated.

But, I bet you will somehow still try to lump all of them cops together as the racist thugs that you perceive them to be. When in reality that is not what happened and so far the evidence supports that.

As far as what you said about racist cops taking orders from above let us focus on one police force. Lets see which one? Oh, since you seem so fond of them and since you obviously already have an opinion of the "dirty" Baltimore Police Department why not focus on that one.

What was it that you said racism starts at the top and works its way down to the average cop? Okay, then what is at the top in Baltimore? Well, lets see the Mayor is black the police commissioner is also black. So, are they the rampant racist at the top that you were speaking of? And who are the average racist cops that are actually taking the orders?

Lets, see as of 2014 there were 3080 police personnel within the Baltimore City Police Department. Of that 3080 somewhere around 50% are black. So are they also taking the racist orders that come form the black leadership at the top or is it only the white officers that take the racist orders from the black leaders? Can you help to clarify that for me?

Wait, I thought there are many that claim that blacks cannot be racist so how is it possible for them to give racist orders or make policy that is deemed to be racist? As far as me calling you a race baiter I still stand by that statement and this is why.

First off, you play the race card all of the time. You play it so many times that I bet that sometimes you forget that this is even a boxing forum. And secondly, I believe you are a race baiter because you simply stretch events to fit you agenda, and that is what race baiters do. Finally, I believe you are a race baiter because you labeled me a racist only because I don't agree with you.

With that said I challenge anyone to read everything that I have stated and produce evidence that would convince any reasonable person that I am in fact a racist.

I also clicked onto the link that you provided because I really was going to watch it. But I have to polity decline. Simply because I am not interested in anything that Louis Farrakhan has to say. Just as I am not interested in what the leaders of the Aryan Brotherhood or the Klan have to say. Simply because I believe that they are all hateful racist.

In closing I will admit that the fact that you wanted me to listen Farrakhan helps me understand were you are coming from and what forms you ideas and opinions. Because honestly you do seem rather angry.

This is one of the most logically perfect and eloquently written posts I have ever seen, bar none.

[SugarRaRobinson]

Where were the good cops the day I got assaulted, I don't know possibly at the Dunkin Donuts down the street? Not that I find what happened to me to be amusing but humor sure does beat hate anyday.

But, none of that matters because I still refuse to lump all police officers together because I happened to run into a couple of bad ones. And it has nothing to do with that psycho babble horse5hit you mentioned. I actually attribute it more so to common sense than anything else.

As for the cops killing whites I also never stated that cops shooting blacks wasn't a serious issue. I was only pointing out how that when blacks get shot it just seems to garner more attention.

I will put it this way, if you asked 100 random folks of any race who Freddie Gray was I bet most if not all of them would know who he was. And if you asked the same 100 people who Kelly Thomas happened to be I wouldn't be surprised if none of them knew who he was. They probably say that "she" was a host on a game show. And I bet that before today that you didn't even know who he was, did you? I simply believe that there is something fundamentally wrong about that.

As far as the Texas pool party is concerned I have to ask you did you watch the entire seven minute video? Because I did and this what I saw.

You see exactly three of the 12 police officers that were on the scene. You see two that step into the view for a short period of time and then they run off and are gone until they come back into view with a handcuffed male when the video is almost over. The only other one, besides the knucklehead star of the show, that you hear speak is nothing but polite to the three or so young black men he is talking with. And what is my point to all this? I will tell you.

You simply don't see the other nine officers at all. So how can you possibly know what they were or were not doing? The answer is that you don't know. Now, you are free to speculate all you want but the eyewitness accounts of what happened contradicts what you claim happened. And who were the eyewitnesses?

That would be the black father that I quoted earlier. That would also be the eyewitness account of a black resident by the name of Benet Embry. He sated on a CNN news report that, and I am paraphrasing, the police were not out of line and the whole event was blown way way out of proportion.

Even the cousin, not sure of the name, of the young lady that had the party stated that it was blown way out of proportion. The young man even went as far as saying on CNN that he didn't believe that it was racially motivated.

But, I bet you will somehow still try to lump all of them cops together as the racist thugs that you perceive them to be. When in reality that is not what happened and so far the evidence supports that.

As far as what you said about racist cops taking orders from above let us focus on one police force. Lets see which one? Oh, since you seem so fond of them and since you obviously already have an opinion of the "dirty" Baltimore Police Department why not focus on that one.

What was it that you said racism starts at the top and works its way down to the average cop? Okay, then what is at the top in Baltimore? Well, lets see the Mayor is black the police commissioner is also black. So, are they the rampant racist at the top that you were speaking of? And who are the average racist cops that are actually taking the orders?

Lets, see as of 2014 there were 3080 police personnel within the Baltimore City Police Department. Of that 3080 somewhere around 50% are black. So are they also taking the racist orders that come form the black leadership at the top or is it only the white officers that take the racist orders from the black leaders? Can you help to clarify that for me?

Wait, I thought there are many that claim that blacks cannot be racist so how is it possible for them to give racist orders or make policy that is deemed to be racist? As far as me calling you a race baiter I still stand by that statement and this is why.

First off, you play the race card all of the time. You play it so many times that I bet that sometimes you forget that this is even a boxing forum. And secondly, I believe you are a race baiter because you simply stretch events to fit you agenda, and that is what race baiters do. Finally, I believe you are a race baiter because you labeled me a racist only because I don't agree with you.

With that said I challenge anyone to read everything that I have stated and produce evidence that would convince any reasonable person that I am in fact a racist.

I also clicked onto the link that you provided because I really was going to watch it. But I have to polity decline. Simply because I am not interested in anything that Louis Farrakhan has to say. Just as I am not interested in what the leaders of the Aryan Brotherhood or the Klan have to say. Simply because I believe that they are all hateful racist.

In closing I will admit that the fact that you wanted me to listen Farrakhan helps me understand were you are coming from and what forms you ideas and opinions. Because honestly you do seem rather angry.

Blacks getting shot garners more attention due to the fact that because it happens so frequently to us , it's reached a threshold or tipping point that's become unbearable . As a result we come together to march / riot or whatever to attempt to effect change , although rioting seems to work better because it disturbs social order and profits . Whites have not organized against the police with any consistency yet because the numbers of white murders are not quite alarming yet , but unfortunately, I'm sure they'll get there. So this is why the white deaths don't garner much attention , because they have not yet formed constituency around the issue due to the minuscule frequency in which it happens to them . But I guarantee u that when whites do start rallying around this issue (once their death # rises ) and take to these streets , u won't be able to find a channel that's not airing it , kinda like occupy wall street .

Have I heard of Kelly Thomas , no , but I have heard of James Boyd , yes , and was disheartened by his execution as I am by ANY citizens execution by the empire seeking to swallow us all whole . Why do YOU keep trying to FORCE it into a racial issue for me ? It's seems very desperate of u . I've noticed that accusing America of overt racism seems to bring out the worst in many white people , Including u . It's an inconvenient truth that most whites simply won't face or own up to . It's a hedging of the system , an innate protection mechanism that alarms when u see or hear someone non white attack or pull at it's racist fabric . The mechanism is always looking for a needle in a haystack or any glimmer of justification to excuse it's rotten behavior . This is why I call u a racist , because you and the mechanism are one and the same , as u show NO signs of deviation from it .

Why I don't care if 100 black witnesses came forward in unison to corroborate that the other cops were good guys ? Like I told u before , the whole good cop / bad cop deception doesn't work on me any longer as there's usually always a bad one one the scene , so at this point it seems pretty staged if u ask me . They probably teach it in the academy , that if u arrive on the scene and see one of us in uniform acting like a complete savage , make sure u stay calm to (if u can resist the fun) and be the peaceful one that maintains the look of public trust and honor. Unfortunately for u , they couldn't seem to resist and threw protocol out the window . Plus , once I saw Walter Scott's mother (or brother) say they didn't think race had anything to do with it I stopped listening to most black accounts of any racially charged incidents because I know how easily blacks are manipulated by the media and thats not to imply the media is telling them what to say. Most blacks are simply not savvy enough to know how to talk to the media . for instance , had I been there and they asked me what the other officers were doing , I would have responded ; "Attempting to maintain peace among the civilians who were bearing witness to front row police brutality on a helpless teenage girl instead of assisting the young girl by pulling that savage off of her .

As far as black mayors and commissioners go . Let me just say that history has taught us (or at least me) well enough not to expect much from blacks in (so called) high political places . Frankly it's akin to marrying a corpse because institutional racism is so debilitating that those blacks who assume these offices with good intentions of revolving and being the catalyst of change are completely stifled by those who truly hold the reigns . Just like mayor Barry's reelection in DC , he was the standing mayor but just a figure head as he was stripped of his mayoral powers to affect change . Same thing with ***** , I told everyone he was gonna be nothing more than the black face on white power but no one black believed me , now they do , as the powers who control him have waged war against blacks under his banner . Tokenism at its finest ! Elect a black man to the so called highest office in the land so while everyone black is so proud and looking up at the black hand picked puppet , blacks are getting mooed down in droves by a racist military industrial complex . This game has been historically played time and time again .

Too bad u didn't want to listen to 3 minutes of the Farrakahns piece , or maybe u did but couldn't come up with a logical defense to justify it so you'd rather lie and say u didn't . Either way (whichever one is true) it doesn't surprise me , as i know that's how the racist mechanism functions = Avoid-ability/plausible deniability or in other words, see no evil / hear no evil .

[richardt]

Blacks getting shot garners more attention due to the fact that because it happens so frequently to us , it's reached a threshold or tipping point that's become unbearable . As a result we come together to march / riot or whatever to attempt to effect change , although rioting seems to work better because it disturbs social order and profits . Whites have not organized against the police with any consistency yet because the numbers of white murders are not quite alarming yet , but unfortunately, I'm sure they'll get there. So this is why the white deaths don't garner much attention , because they have not yet formed constituency around the issue due to the minuscule frequency in which it happens to them . But I guarantee u that when whites do start rallying around this issue (once their death # rises ) and take to these streets , u won't be able to find a channel that's not airing it , kinda like occupy wall street .

Have I heard of Kelly Thomas , no , but I have heard of James Boyd , yes , and was disheartened by his execution as I am by ANY citizens execution by the empire seeking to swallow us all whole . Why do YOU keep trying to FORCE it into a racial issue for me ? It's seems very desperate of u . I've noticed that accusing America of overt racism seems to bring out the worst in many white people , Including u . It's an inconvenient truth that most whites simply won't face or own up to . It's a hedging of the system , an innate protection mechanism that alarms when u see or hear someone non white attack or pull at it's racist fabric . The mechanism is always looking for a needle in a haystack or any glimmer of justification to excuse it's rotten behavior . This is why I call u a racist , because you and the mechanism are one and the same , as u show NO signs of deviation from it .

Why I don't care if 100 black witnesses came forward in unison to corroborate that the other cops were good guys ? Like I told u before , the whole good cop / bad cop deception doesn't work on me any longer as there's usually always a bad one one the scene , so at this point it seems pretty staged if u ask me . They probably teach it in the academy , that if u arrive on the scene and see one of us in uniform acting like a complete savage , make sure u stay calm to (if u can resist the fun) and be the peaceful one that maintains the look of public trust and honor. Unfortunately for u , they couldn't seem to resist and threw protocol out the window . Plus , once I saw Walter Scott's mother (or brother) say they didn't think race had anything to do with it I stopped listening to most black accounts of any racially charged incidents because I know how easily blacks are manipulated by the media and thats not to imply the media is telling them what to say. Most blacks are simply not savvy enough to know how to talk to the media . for instance , had I been there and they asked me what the other officers were doing , I would have responded ; "Attempting to maintain peace among the civilians who were bearing witness to front row police brutality on a helpless teenage girl instead of assisting the young girl by pulling that savage off of her .

As far as black mayors and commissioners go . Let me just say that history has taught us (or at least me) well enough not to expect much from blacks in (so called) high political places . Frankly it's akin to marrying a corpse because institutional racism is so debilitating that those blacks who assume these offices with good intentions of revolving and being the catalyst of change are completely stifled by those who truly hold the reigns . Just like mayor Barry's reelection in DC , he was the standing mayor but just a figure head as he was stripped of his mayoral powers to affect change . Same thing with ***** , I told everyone he was gonna be nothing more than the black face on white power but no one black believed me , now they do , as the powers who control him have waged war against blacks under his banner . Tokenism at its finest ! Elect a black man to the so called highest office in the land so while everyone black is so proud and looking up at the black hand picked puppet , blacks are getting mooed down in droves by a racist military industrial complex . This game has been historically played time and time again .

Too bad u didn't want to listen to 3 minutes of the Farrakahns piece , or maybe u did but couldn't come up with a logical defense to justify it so you'd rather lie and say u didn't . Either way (whichever one is true) it doesn't surprise me , as i know that's how the racist mechanism functions = Avoid-ability/plausible deniability or in other words, see no evil / hear no evil .

Both of you guys are making solid points from different points of view, different backgrounds, etc. By each of you staying out of the name calling, you have had one of the more intelligent debates that these boards have seen in a long time. Hopefully a common ground can be reached along the way.

[Ravens Fan]

This is one of the most logically perfect and eloquently written posts I have ever seen, bar none.

I most definitely appreciate that. Thanks!!

[titan m]

Most people, including white boxing fans, believed that Hopkins did indeed beat Joe. So your post isn't really warranted.

Im not sure why you think most white fans think Hopkins won, around me it is the exact opposite, as a matter of fact Im a white guy living in a mostly black neighborhood and the majority of people around here thought Calzaghe won, white and black. I guess it depends on who you talk to but that was my experience after the fight.