Where is Carl Froch ranked in British ATG's?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

yeah he wouldn't be #1 if ottke, lacy, and kessler were his biggest rivals...

Froch had his chance at prime Kessler and lost, Joe easily beat Kessler....

[Slick_Rick]

who's better at 168? not calzaghe. froch's resume is much better than calzaghe's. froch has kessler, pascal, bute, abraham, groves, dirrell, taylor. calzaghe has kessler, lacy, bika, mitchell, brewer, woodhall, and a finished eubank. froch just fought in a much tougher era. remember calzaghe fought in an era with sven ottke and both guys had 21 title defenses at the same time. those were not challenging times where they were taking risks. you could make a solid case that calzaghe didn't fight anyone relevant until lacy.

Not saying hes not, but it would have no doubt cemented.

[daggum]

Froch had his chance at prime Kessler and lost, Joe easily beat Kessler....

the kessler/froch fight wasn't even for the #1 spot so even if he won he still wouldn't have been #1 which blows a big hole in your "it hurts that he wasn't #1" statement because then he would have a much better resume than calzaghe and still never would have been #1. as it stands right now he has a slightly better resume than calzaghe but was just never #1 because he fought in a strong era where as calzaghe was #1 with a worse resume in a weak era. sven ottke was #1 as well so i guess he's better than froch?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

well i scored calzaghe-kessler 7-5 for calzaghe and froch kessler 1 7-5 for froch and froch kessler 2 8-4 for froch so i don't really see how calzaghe did a lot better. i don't see how you can say calzaghe dominated kessler. through the first 5 rounds it was easy to score 3-2 kessler and kessler clearly won the 12th so that's 4 rounds right there. now did calzaghe dominate rounds 6-11 and clearly win all of them? no he did not. rounds 7 and 10 were super close and even the rounds calzaghe won weren't kovalev-hopkins type rounds where one guy completely dominated. it was two way action with calzaghe just getting in slightly more.

you seem to score more on how a fight "feels" where as i score a fight based on punches and it was kessler often landing the cleaner harder punches. i'm sure it "felt" like calzaghe was completely dominating with the crowd going wild and shouting(even if it was calzaghe being hit) but the reality shows something different. I thought he won a close fight. so did lots of other people. bbc scored it 7-5 but they must hate calzaghe as well? If the same exact fight played out in denmark with a danish crowd kessler almost certainly gets the win. not that I would agree because I don't agree with froch kessler 1 but that's the truth.

Reaching far too hard.

It was at the very worst 7-5 to Calzaghe. That doesn't automatically make it comparable to the Froch fight just because you scored it 7-5 Froch because you also could have scored it 7-5 the other way or people have even said 8-4. There was absolutely no case for Kessler to win the Calzaghe fight.

Calzaghe had issues with Kessler for the first 4 or 5 rounds and then basically pissed the rest of the fight. There was a clear period in the fight where Calzaghe dominated and outclassed Kessler. He almost stopped him with a body shot ffs! Kessler won the 12th because he had to go completely for broke to get a KO and Calzaghe cruised cos he had been in such easy control.

Whereas Froch and Kessler was a back n forth war. At no point was either man in control. It could have gone either way

Ridiculously poor and frankly shameful attempt at revising history

[Dirk Diggler UK]

they are two different things. one is how I don't like clinching and the other is how hopkins got the better of calzaghe in punches. I know nuance is so complicated to understand! just like brook beat porter but did I like the way he did it? no. just like wlad beat povetkin but did I like the way he did it? no. your sole reasoning as to why calzaghe beat hopkins was because hopkins clinched too much so apparently you think povetkin deserved to beat wlad on the cards and porter beat brook? if you were staying consistent you would say that but you aren't. you made a special little reason as to why calzaghe beat hopkins and then threw that reason out for every other fight.

But but but Hopkins clinched Calzaghe and didn't let him punch him. Isn't that your current excuse for why all the fighters you like keep losing?

I never said Calzaghe won because Hopkins clinched too much lol lies. So no that's not "my sole reason" why Calzaghe won. I knew Hopkins was going to do that.

Projecting and making things up now? You've lost it.

[FrankieBruno]

he doesnt even crack the top 10

[Sugar Adam Ali]

the kessler/froch fight wasn't even for the #1 spot so even if he won he still wouldn't have been #1 which blows a big hole in your "it hurts that he wasn't #1" statement because then he would have a much better resume than calzaghe and still never would have been #1. as it stands right now he has a slightly better resume than calzaghe but was just never #1 because he fought in a strong era where as calzaghe was #1 with a worse resume in a weak era. sven ottke was #1 as well so i guess he's better than froch?

You said froch would be #1 like JOE if he had been in the ottke, Kessler,,lacy era... I was merely pointing out that your wrong,,, froch wouldn't have been able to beat Kessler therefore would have never been #1 in joe's era....


On top of that calzaghe was #1 at 2 different weight classes, froch zero

[IronDanHamza]

You said froch would be #1 like JOE if he had been in the ottke, Kessler,,lacy era... I was merely pointing out that your wrong,,, froch wouldn't have been able to beat Kessler therefore would have never been #1 in joe's era....


On top of that calzaghe was #1 at 2 different weight classes, froch zero

How can you say Froch would never have beaten Kessler?

[IronDanHamza]

If you're not #1 of a past era does that mean you can't be better than a guy who was #1 of a different era?

Tommy Hearns wasnt #1 of his WW era does that mean Mayweather is better than Hearns?

Is Bob Foster better or greater than Harold Johnson? Not in my estimation.

[daggum]

Reaching far too hard.

It was at the very worst 7-5 to Calzaghe. That doesn't automatically make it comparable to the Froch fight just because you scored it 7-5 Froch because you also could have scored it 7-5 the other way or people have even said 8-4. There was absolutely no case for Kessler to win the Calzaghe fight.

Calzaghe had issues with Kessler for the first 4 or 5 rounds and then basically pissed the rest of the fight. There was a clear period in the fight where Calzaghe dominated and outclassed Kessler. He almost stopped him with a body shot ffs! Kessler won the 12th because he had to go completely for broke to get a KO and Calzaghe cruised cos he had been in such easy control.

Whereas Froch and Kessler was a back n forth war. At no point was either man in control. It could have gone either way

Ridiculously poor and frankly shameful attempt at revising history

crowd going crazy does not equal outclassing. dropping your hands doesn't mean you are in control. if he was dominating why was kessler still landing hard shots constantly to the head and body? i just watched rounds 6-11 with the sound off of course...

round 6 was a pretty clear calzaghe round,
round 7 very very close round kessler had calzaghe briefly staggered but calazaghe landed good shots of his own in back and forth action,
round 8 kessler was having a very good round and winning until he got hurt late with a body shot which tipped it to calzaghe,
round 9 another close round with two way action but calzaghe slightly better,
round 10 another very very close round kessler briefly staggered calzaghe but calzaghe came back well in the last 45 to make it razor close,
round 11 another close round with 2 way action and calzaghe just won it

you call that a period of outclassing? yes he won more rounds during that period but not by much and every single round was very close. there was no outclassing but maybe you have calzaghe-kessler special edition on blu-ray which has added calzaghe punches?