Comments Thread For: Guerrero: Mayweather Won Easy, Speed Froze Pacquiao

[TyrantT316]

good post
i remember some clown some time ago was saying that Floyd wasnt fast, and hasnt shown speed since Arturo Gatti lol

Because people look at guys like Guzman, Donaire, Gamboa, Pacman, Gary Russell and Khan like that's all it takes to be fast. There is a reason all of those guys have losses. It's because there are others areas they lacked in. Floyd doesn't have to throw flashy 10 punch combinations to throw off his opponent. ONE single, quick release punch that you don't see is enough to make you say "hey, whoah...where did that come from"...Khan threw one of his "fast" combinations at the same time he was being caught cold by Danny Garcia's left hook...that flashy combinations sure did Khan some good in that fight huh?

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[SkillspayBills]

You know when a fighter is out of his prime he always says "I just can't pull the trigger anymore." They see the opening but they aren't quick enough on their reaction times to land a shot. Floyd still has that reaction time and he still pulls the trigger, he just pulls back once he lands the shot to avoid being countered.

[Real Talk85]

Manny has faster feet than Floyd, that can't be disputed. The difference is Floyd anticipates his opponents moves and stays ahead of them.

Watch when he counters, he actually starts moving before the other guy starts to even throw. Its like he is reading their mind, its insane. Watch it in slow mo, any fight he has he does it. He anticipates the next shot or movement and makes a move based off of it.

Speed wise overall I think Floyd is behind Khan, Manny, Alexander and is somewhere a little faster than Ortiz.

[Johnwoo8686]

Manny has faster feet than Floyd, that can't be disputed. The difference is Floyd anticipates his opponents moves and stays ahead of them.

Watch when he counters, he actually starts moving before the other guy starts to even throw. Its like he is reading their mind, its insane. Watch it in slow mo, any fight he has he does it. He anticipates the next shot or movement and makes a move based off of it.

Speed wise overall I think Floyd is behind Khan, Manny, Alexander and is somewhere a little faster than Ortiz.

Yes it can be disputed. I was of that thinking as well. And the ability to anticipate a fighters movement and react in time IS speed. Which is why Freddie Roach said Floyd was actually the faster fighter of the two. Floyd is certainly faster than Alexander and has comparable overall speed to Manny and Amir Khan. I could never see Floyd being caught in exchanges quite as easily as Khan.

[comanick]

Manny has faster feet than Floyd, that can't be disputed. The difference is Floyd anticipates his opponents moves and stays ahead of them.

Watch when he counters, he actually starts moving before the other guy starts to even throw. Its like he is reading their mind, its insane. Watch it in slow mo, any fight he has he does it. He anticipates the next shot or movement and makes a move based off of it.

Speed wise overall I think Floyd is behind Khan, Manny, Alexander and is somewhere a little faster than Ortiz.

But they all have slower reaction speed and thats why they would never beat floyd.
Its one thing to throw a quick flashy combo and another to be able to deal with a quick combo. Its a case of being able to dish it out but not being able to take it.

[tiliheels]

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[boxingfan4life]

I think people wrongly look at boxing speed in a one-dimensional way. A guy throws a 4-7 punch combinations with speed is one type of speed. A guy who throws a 2-4 punch combination slower, but with more accuracy and pacing is another. A guy who throws 1-2 punches with quick release at the right time with accuracy is another.

Floyd doesn't throw flashy or overwhelming 4-7 punch speed combinations like Manny or some other young fighters. Why? He doesn't need to. He's all but mastered his art of throwing 1-2, maybe 3 punches at a time with accuracy and to conserve energy. Floyd would rather land one "quick release" punch than to throw 7 while only landing one.

Some underestimate Floyd's USE of his speed and timing.

Manny Pacquiao was supposed to be the one who had an answer for Floyd's movement and single punches at a time. He was supposed to be the one who's hand AND foot speed were going to offset Floyd. He was supposed to be the one to **** the arms, body, hips, back, shoulders, elbows, etc to slow Floyd down for the late rounds. He was supposed to be the one who could make Floyd so uncomfortable that Floyd would have to stop being himself just to fight back.

When Manny would get Floyd in the corner, Floyd would either duck and move (which Roach led Pacman to believe he didn't have the legs to do anymore) or Floyd would keep ducking low evading Manny's 6-7 punch combinations, then move or counter. Manny was used to doing that vs a stationary Margarito and drained DLH.

Manny, as great as he is, wasn't able to do any of that. That is what pissed people off. The fight wasn't exciting. I get that. Floyd did what he always does. Manny was supposed to be the x-factor to change what Floyd "always does". It wasn't about this being the fight that Floyd finally throws caution to the wind for please the fans. This was supposed to be the fight where Manny was Floyd's equal enough to force Floyd into something he'd never seen, felt or dealt with before. Turns out, Floyd has mastered what he does so well that Manny was just another.

wow excellent post my friend. that's exactly what happened.

[tiliheels]

Yes it can be. I was of that thinking as well. And the ability to anticipate a fighters movement and react in time IS speed. Which is why Freddie Roach said Floyd was actually the faster fighter of the two. Floyd is certainly faster than Alexander and has comparable overall speed to Manny and Amir Khan. I could never see Floyd being caught in exchanges quite as easily as Khan.

i agree floyd and rigo are the fastest thing that boxing has..the thing about these two is that they switch paces and speeds...manny and amir just dont understand that..so they look fast for a full 3 minutes..leading u to believe they are the fast when in actually they are actually the easiest to time and setting themselves up to be disposed of....also amir and manny combo..rigo and floyd jab, shoot, and exploit openings...fans tend to call the exciting fighter the faster...just really not true at all

[tiliheels]

wow excellent post my friend. that's exactly what happened.

yelp..if manny won that fight the exact way floyd did we wouldnt hear a peep..maybe we'd hear how he became a master boxer all of a sudden..that means he's the greatest ever...but your on crap talk is hard to eat...so criticizing the winner that proved u wrong is the best way to go in their opinions..floyd's mastered the guy that they said couldnt be tamed...

[tiliheels]

frankly manny avoided fighters with good overall speed and timing every since his draw with sanchez imo...he took tons of fight where the footspeed advantage wasnt even close..and still lost a few..never knew how anyone could askin him to beat floyd mayweather.....

i told ppl all the time prince raheem style made manny cringe when asked if manny will fight him...things like that do not change over time when u're not fightin that style...the bradley fight was no precursor for me bc he struggled in each fight with bradley..