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  • LacedUp
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    #81
    Originally posted by KO'er
    IMO Christian Hammer or Tony Thompson next.
    Christian Hammer would be an absolute waste of time. He's sht.

    Joshua would do him in a round. TT yes, but he's also getting a bit old now isn't he?

    Wach or Takam would be good choices. Sort of fringe top 15 opponents.

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    • KnockoutNed
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      #82
      Originally posted by LacedUp
      Gary Mason was crap though.
      Mason would easily be a top 5-10 HW today

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      • joe strong
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        #83
        That was pretty impressive. As soon as he knew Kingpin had nothing to hurt him with he took him out. It will be interesting to see who he fights next. They still might put him in with a few more journeymen just to get more training & rounds in. David Price was hammering journeymen then they put him in with a world level fighter in his 15th fight. Look what happened to him. I doubt they will rush him & I suspect they will match him carefully.

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          #84
          Originally posted by KnockoutNed
          Mason would easily be a top 5-10 HW today


          He absolutely would not!

          Let me put this down for you, in an era where Adilson Rodrigues was a solid top 5 heavyweight, Gary Mason never even entered the rankings.

          His best win is over an old war torn James Tillis ffs.
          Last edited by LacedUp; 05-31-2015, 09:48 AM.

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            #85
            Originally posted by LacedUp


            He absolutely would not!

            Let me put this down for you, in an era where Adilson Rodrigues was a solid top 5 heavyweight, Gary Mason never even entered the rankings.

            His best win is over an old war torn James Tillis ffs.
            How do you think Mason would fair against the murderer's row of 45 yr old Tony Thompson, shot 37yr old Ruslan Chagaev, Bermaine Stiverne, Carlos Takam, & Glazkov? I think he'd do pretty well.

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              #86
              Originally posted by LacedUp
              I don't think he's better than a lot of top contenders today. Who did he ever beat?

              He put up a decent effort against a rookie Lennox Lewis and won a british title. That was about what he did. I don't think he's levels above a Dillian Whyte for example. Skillwise that is.

              He was tough, but lacked skills.
              No one is saying he's great, but then there isn't anyone particularly great out there today either...apart from the obvious.

              Originally posted by KnockoutNed
              Mason would easily be a top 5-10 HW today
              Originally posted by LacedUp


              He absolutely would not!

              Let me put this down for you, in an era where Adilson Rodrigues was a solid top 5 heavyweight, Gary Mason never even entered the rankings.

              His best win is over an old war torn James Tillis ffs.
              I could see him getting ranked today with the likes of today's contenders.

              Shannon 'The Asthma Cannon' Briggs is rated 5th by the WBA.

              Lucas Brown is rated 3rd.

              Mike Perez is rated 2nd by the WBC.

              97 year old Tony Thompson is rated 7th by Ring magazine.

              Who have any of these guys beaten? Two of them are 45 year old completely shot has beens with multiple recent losses and they're still rated, and nearly everyone (except Povetkin, Wilder maybe, Fury...) ranked in the top five by each title are lesser fighters than Mason with less than nobody on their resumes.

              Mason at least had Quick Tillis, Tyrel Biggs, Alfonso Ratliff. That's better than the number 2 IBF ranked, to Klitschkos title, Charles Martin's literal no one.

              I think he'd very easily be in the top five of every single title today...along with the likes of Lucas Brown, Charles Martin, Mike Perez, 50 year old Shannon Briggs, 45 year old Tony Thompson, Andy 'Haveanothertwinky' Ruiz, or Fres Oquendo.

              Considering the likes of Thompson is still in the top ten after his recent losses, Kubrat Pulev is still number four after just getting dominated in his only title shot, Carlos 'Who?' Takam is in the top ten, and Ruslan Chagaev is number 5 or 6 for beating Fres Oquendo a year ago, I don't think Mason would have too much trouble sneaking in somewhere among this murderers row.

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                #87
                Originally posted by KnockoutNed
                How do you think Mason would fair against the murderer's row of 45 yr old Tony Thompson, shot 37yr old Ruslan Chagaev, Bermaine Stiverne, Carlos Takam, & Glazkov? I think he'd do pretty well.
                I don't really consider Takam, Chagaev & TT top 10 caliber opponents anyway. I don't think he'd do well against those guys anyway. Simply wasn't very good.

                Originally posted by BennyST
                No one is saying he's great, but then there isn't anyone particularly great out there today either...apart from the obvious.

                I could see him getting ranked today with the likes of today's contenders.

                Shannon 'The Asthma Cannon' Briggs is rated 5th by the WBA.

                Lucas Brown is rated 3rd.

                Mike Perez is rated 2nd by the WBC.

                97 year old Tony Thompson is rated 7th by Ring magazine.

                Who have any of these guys beaten? Two of them are 45 year old completely shot has beens with multiple recent losses and they're still rated, and nearly everyone (except Povetkin, Wilder maybe, Fury...) ranked in the top five by each title are lesser fighters than Mason with less than nobody on their resumes.

                Mason at least had Quick Tillis, Tyrel Biggs, Alfonso Ratliff. That's better than the number 2 IBF ranked, to Klitschkos title, Charles Martin's literal no one.

                I think he'd very easily be in the top five of every single title today...along with the likes of Lucas Brown, Charles Martin, Mike Perez, 50 year old Shannon Briggs, 45 year old Tony Thompson, Andy 'Haveanothertwinky' Ruiz, or Fres Oquendo.

                Considering the likes of Thompson is still in the top ten after his recent losses, Kubrat Pulev is still number four after just getting dominated in his only title shot, Carlos 'Who?' Takam is in the top ten, and Ruslan Chagaev is number 5 or 6 for beating Fres Oquendo a year ago, I don't think Mason would have too much trouble sneaking in somewhere among this murderers row.
                Sure, he might get an alphabet ranking - Not saying he wouldn't. But being a legit top 10 contender? I don't think so. Is he better than Chisora who fought Helenius in 2011? I'm not so sure.

                We can agree there's a lot of crap out there in the HW division, for sure. Charles Martin, Lucas Browne, Molina, that fat mexican etc all of those guy are bad. I don't see Gary Mason being particularly better or worse than those guys. He's that level. British level - not any more than that.

                Someone might creep into a top 10 ranking from time to time ala Mike Perez for example. But is he really a solid top 10 contender? Not in my opinion.

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by LacedUp


                  He absolutely would not!

                  Let me put this down for you, in an era where Adilson Rodrigues was a solid top 5 heavyweight, Gary Mason never even entered the rankings.

                  His best win is over an old war torn James Tillis ffs.
                  pretty sure he was ranked in the wbc top five when he fought lennox

                  the point, however, is that he was an experienced, power-punching professional and a habitual winner. when will joshua face someone who fulfils those criteria? even chisora, price and whyte fall short and he hasn't even faced them yet

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by NEETzsche
                    pretty sure he was ranked in the wbc top five when he fought lennox

                    the point, however, is that he was an experienced, power-punching professional and a habitual winner. when will joshua face someone who fulfils those criteria? even chisora, price and whyte fall short and he hasn't even faced them yet
                    I was referring to actual top 10 rankings, not alphabet.

                    But yeah, it's true. He needs to fight someone who's winning and would believe he could win like Mason did against Lewis.

                    But who? The landscape is totally different now. He could fight Gary Cornish, but honestly - who thinks Cornish would last any longer than 45 seconds in that fight?

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by LacedUp
                      I was referring to actual top 10 rankings, not alphabet.

                      But yeah, it's true. He needs to fight someone who's winning and would believe he could win like Mason did against Lewis.

                      But who? The landscape is totally different now. He could fight Gary Cornish, but honestly - who thinks Cornish would last any longer than 45 seconds in that fight?
                      to be honest i was being a bit nit-picky - i wouldn't actually have any complaints if he fought chisora, whyte or price next, nor thompson for that matter.

                      but how about a clash of hot prospects a la degale-groves, saunders-eubank, etc., between him and hughie fury?

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