I honestly have never seen Mayweather put on a "masterclass"

[Calabis]

There is a reason why they were allowed to weigh in more than 154 in several of Canelo's fights. Canelo certainly struggled to make 152.

Its this guys mission to spread this around all threads today, funny he left when I posted this article...from this here site.

http://www.boxingscene.com/saul-alvarez-ill-drop-150-floyd-mayweather-jr--46563

Apparently Canelo thought he would be fine dropping to 150....he weighed 153 against Trout, 152 for Mayweather.....vs Trout he was healthy and at his best, one less pound and these idiots: Canelo was drained and dead

[TintaBoricua]

Honestly. Im going to be honest. I dont like him, hes ugly, unappealing, horrible personality, so i try and limit any exposure i give to the wife beating ego maniac. But i judge a guy on his skills, regardless of personality. For example i dont like Amir Khan, but hes one of my favourites as i think hes tremendously talented. When hes on hes on, and there no denying is incredible speed and skill.

Has Floyd ever done that for me??Nah. The fights ive seen, whether live or on youtube were as follows.

Castillo-We all agree he lost that one.

Hatton-got the pay per view. Hatton did terribly well considering he was fighting floyd at a weight class the pundits said he should never fight at. Pus Cortez was disgraceful. however Hatton still caught Floyd a few times despite disadvantages. Not impressed yet.

ODH-Draw. Crap fight where a past prime fighter was pressing all the action and floyd ducked in his usual awkward way. No one won that fight. Certainly no masterclass.

Ortiz-Just when i thought the fight was exciting, floyd cheated and pot shotted his last "ko". Pathetic as the fight was quite good untill then.

Canelo-Fair cop, i scored this 4 rounds victory for Floyd. This is the best ive ever seen him fight personally. Even then though he weight drained a green fighter. But fairs fair, he boxed well imo.

Maidana fight 1-Draw again. I am not making this up. I Couldnt quite give it to Maidana as he tired in the second half of the fight. So a draw is fair.

Pacquio fight-i watched this a week later on youtube knowing it would be crap. Again a Draw. No problem floyd getting the nod. Pacquio had one arm, but still landed the better punches. Floyd had the fight he wanted. Bit again, i was not impressed.


In conclusion, the media keep telling me "genius this and genius that". I dont see it. Lets face it, if he wasnt America he would be like Rigondeux. He just doesnt dominate opponents like say Wladimir Klitschko does. Wlad for 10/11 years has literally barely lost a round, and probably KOED 80-90 percent of his opponents. I never feel wowed by floyd, i never feel appreciated that ive watched something truely great.

All i see is a very good boxer aming dam sure he had every advantage for the fight and being extremely defensive whilst doing enough to make it tricky for the judges.


I will not miss him when he retires...

I'm late to the party, fellas. My friend, as my colleagues have already indicated, and incase they haven't...and since we're only discussing "master classes" (which is what you're referring to as a shutout or at the very least dominant performance), go to youtube and watch his fights against the following people:

Carlos Baldomir
Arturo Gatti
Diego Corrales
Juan Manuel Marquez
Saul Alvarez
Robert Guerrero
Shane Mosley

You're right in stating that his fights with Pacquiao and De la Hoya weren't spectacular, though. I'll give you that. Pacquiao was one of his most significant wins, but not one of his best performances.

And you're also right to a certain extent about Floyd being watched because he's from America. I sincerely believe that if Mayweather hadn't decided to trash talk and transform into a villain on a global stage in his fight with Oscar de la Hoya, a lot of people would be looking at Floyd Mayweather, Jr. as a Guillermo Rigondeaux...enormously talented but people have a hard time getting excited. But because he's undefeated and the coverage he gets and because of his almost mythical status, he's watched, and for better or for worse, he is relevant.

[ADP02]

Which is why Harold is retired and you aren't a professional judge.

Ledderman has the added advantage of being part of the HBO crew and getting a glance at the punch stats and comments on something he may of missed.
Sure, not always a good thing but usually it aids in his assessment.

As for retired, those who were judges for that fight are not spring chickens.

Dave Moretti is the go to judge whenever Floyd fights. He gave in his scores before the opening bell but they told him to wait until after (joke) because it would look to obvious. He gave someone like Maidana no credit in fight 1. Yet made him the judge again in fight 2. Still can't believe that happened.

Feldman: Who did you think won the fight, Bradley or Marquez? Well, Feldman picked Marquez.

Clements: This is the judge that forgot to count a knock down when the fighter is down and thereby scoring the first Marquez vs Manny fight a draw.

These are 3 American judges and at least 2 are Nevada resident judges, like Floyd. Just to say, for a fight of this magnitude, you would think that at least 2 judges would be from a neutral country .........

At the end of the day, its a judgment call but some judges may be swayed just enough due to who Floyd is and that he is the home town guy. As I said before, if they had put Peterson's face on Floyd, he would not get outright credited for some of those rounds. To think that a judge gave Peterson 0 of the first 6 rounds, you would think that Garcia was doing awesome but we both know, that he only won because he was the aggressor moving forward while Peterson was using movement, like Floyd.

[ADP02]

I think the round 3 is Pacquiao's Round. Rewatch the round 3 again. So if Lederman can give Pacquiao the round 2 plus the round 3 (which I think is a PAcquiao round), then the score card could be a draw.

The sad part all the judges gave the 3rd round to Floyd.

I stated the same in another post. Round 2 and 3 could have gone to Manny and that makes it a draw .... but we both know that they would never have given the home town guy a 3-1 deficit unless it was so obvious and convincing that they had no choice.

[ADP02]

Its this guys mission to spread this around all threads today, funny he left when I posted this article...from this here site.

http://www.boxingscene.com/saul-alvarez-ill-drop-150-floyd-mayweather-jr--46563

Apparently Canelo thought he would be fine dropping to 150....he weighed 153 against Trout, 152 for Mayweather.....vs Trout he was healthy and at his best, one less pound and these idiots: Canelo was drained and dead

That is an old article ......

Read the date. It was the end of 2011. Canelo was how old back then? 21. A little over a year earlier Canelo had fought at WW but just so you know, a few fights (~6 month prior to) before that article, he had trouble making that same 150 against Hatton. Canelo came in at 152 instead of the contracted 150 and had to pay a fine for doing so. It was substantial for this type of fight.

2 years later against Floyd, Canelo outgrew and said that it would be too hard to make a CW. You are going back way before the negotiations took place. WHy don't you get articles of when Canelo was complaining about a CW. I told you what Canelo said about his training camp. Making weight was the hardest thing that he had to do.


Furthermore, what were you Floyd fans saying about the first negotiations against Manny? As soon as Floyd said that he changed his mind and said that the offer is off the table now, you Floyd fans said, that is fine by me. Right? So for once, apply the same to when it is not in Floyd's favor!

[Boxfan7819]

Canelo win was pretty good

[b00g13man]

Canelo struggled to make 154, and so they had a special weight for him against Angulo for example and it was the fight after Floyd but I'm sure you knew that already.

We both know that Canelo's team complained that there was a CW demanded by Floyd and that they stated it would be difficult for Canelo to go down in weight. Canelo was interviewed just before the fight and said that trying to make the weight was the hardest part about his training camp. That tells you everything that you need to know.

BTW - Canelo came in at 153.5 against Trout.

The Angulo fight was after Mayweather you dimwit. Prior to that, he hadn't struggled to make 154.

[V.WEBB]

The Angulo fight was after Mayweather you dimwit. Prior to that, he hadn't struggled to make 154.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Well, he's on my ignore list for a reason.

[ADP02]

The Angulo fight was after Mayweather you dimwit. Prior to that, he hadn't struggled to make 154.

I will go easy on you .... even though I shouldn't because of your insults.

The poster asked me when that occurred. I truthfully responded that it was the fights right after Floyd and gave the Angulo fight as the example which occurred 6 months after Floyd ..... but what is funny about 6 months is that a 2 year old article was thrown in my face from the poster as proof that Canelo can even make less than 152. So that is another strike ...... "6 months is too long into the future but 2 years is acceptable" - Floyd fan logic



BUT ..... Canelo also had weight issues BEFORE the Floyd fight. He had trouble and couldn't make the 150 CW against Hatton and came in at 152 at the weigh in and got fined. Canelo also had issues for the Floyd fight and Canelo said it was the hardest thing that he had to do during his training camp.